Talk:Bedazzled (2000 film)
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Does anyone know what the name of the house is in the Colombian drug lord scene?
About the spanish spoken in the druglord section, there it is Iberian accent, mainly by the buttler. But the accent that the contributor atributes to argentina might be colombian as well. Colombian paisas (as the people on Medellín) use the singular second person "vos" instead of "usted" or "tu" like some argentinians.
does anyone recognise the guitar music that plays during the prison scene? I find it really haunting - let me know what it is, please. --Riaan 22:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- "When the emotionally sensitive Elliot is playing guitar for Allison, the playing we hear is actually that of Harold Ramis." - imdb.com that might help Bud0011 18:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
"?The Devil reacts negatively to this, stating that if he does not live out his final wish at once then by the terms of the contract his soul will be ceded to her at once" I don't think she stated that she would get his soul if he didn't make the wish. Bud0011 18:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Mysterious stranger is God?
That the mysterious stranger == God is just one interpretation.
- The mysterious stranger could be another fallen angel (many christians believe the devil is a fallen angel).
- Or the mysterious stranger could be an unfallen angel.
- Or the mysterious stranger could be some kind of mystic, who had figured our enough of the supernatural mysteries of the world, that although mortal, he could interact, as an equal with the christian devil.
- Or, who says the christian supernatural pantheon is the only one? (Rhetorical question: christians, of course.) The mysterious stranger could be a supernatural being from some other pantheon.
My point is that it is a mistake for the article to conflate the mysterious stranger with God.
- This interpretation is not the only interpretation.
- This interpretation is unattributed.
I have no objection to the article saying something like: "One interpretation is that the mysterious stranger is Jesus himself." — so long as all the subsequent references to the mysterious stranger refer to him as the "mysterious stranger".
If no one offers a convincing explanation as to why this error shouldn't be changed I plan to do so in the near future.
Cheers! -- Geo Swan 14:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The most simple answer is, most of the time, the correct one. While there may be other interpretations, the most plausible one is an interpretation where the "mysterious stranger" is god himself. On the other hand, assuming that the stranger is god when other interpretatios are available seems a little off to me. I propose we add something like what you said, but a little more convincing that this is the most simple and plausible theory. Or we could just name him "The black dude" Acglaphotis 15:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- IMBD's credits list the character as "Elliot's Cellmate/Angel", and their quotes section as "Elliot's Cellmate". Unless the actual credits say something different, or there's some other secure reason for making the equation, I think the equation with God seems a bit speculative and "OR"ish. Alai 19:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Guys, guys, why are we doing this? Let's not try to be all PC and just go with the common sense: the black dude is God, we know that. The equation is: the biggest representative of evil is the Devil and the biggest representative of good is God (not the tripled God as in christianity, just God, himself) - the movie is more of a simplistic nature, so let's not get carried away with our ivy-league wit and accept it - the black dude is God. You can see an example of that equation in the final scene, where the Devil is playng chess with God (the black dude) and tries to trick him, by replacing chess figures, but ultimately gets caught, seeming weak and childish (the only case of the Devil seeming weak and childish, let's admit - would be in front of God himself) - end of discussion guys, the black dude is God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
All the above are wrong; the idea in the film is a s simple as it is complex: "GOD"is bigger and cannot be presentable in this movie (after all it is an american movie intended for a large audience..so representing God is then a taboo)..the woman devil is NOT the all commanding devil/lucifer (as in Hell she is supposed to be "only" a friend Elliot should keep to make it through Hell) and the afro good spirit is her opposite but equal (they play chess thus on equal basis), so at best a modern version of an angel or messenger...Elliot calls for God..God, of course cannot/wont show up (belief is just that..belief)..so a messenger shows up..but it is his own imagination / illusion that creates him (and her). The fact that the devil is represented by a sexy high class eloquent speaking woman (contrary to evil ugly scary red monster) and the good spirit by an apparently black petty criminal (he IS in jail, right?) shows the confusion it should have on Elliot (and the audience) of what we percieve as bad and good. At the end the woman tells Elliot quite clearly that all evil and good is on this earth and what WE make of it. Thus both figures Devil and Afro are nothing more than spirits/messengers/angels/fallenangels of Elliot's own imagination/beliefs..
When you think of it: how often were the "angels" that people saw in the past (up to people in the last century) an actual embodiment outside their body/soul. Could it not rather have been an illusion inside these people's minds (if genuine at all)? Enjoy the movie, I really really like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)