Talk:Belair-Edison, Baltimore

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In the "Decline" section of this article the contributor speaks only from his or her own opinion and not from facts. This quote:

Belair-Edison is a prime example of failed government relocation programs.

is completely baseless as it doesn't back up the writer's assessment in any way. This is not what one would call a neutral point of view. This person states that Belair-Edison is a "prime example of failed government relocation" but then fails to mention how. He or she simply tells us what these relocation programs are like and forgets to explain how they affected Belair-Edison. While this contributor does reference an article in the Baltimore City Paper regarding Kurt Schmoke's political career, nothing in this reference directly discusses matters in Belair-Edison.

He or she also states that:

...many once thriving local parochial schools closed down.

This is a serious over statement since the contributor only references one school closing. If the influx of "low-income" people from a "fail(ed) government relocation program" was the cause of the Shrine of the Little Flower to close, then why are there still 3 thriving parochial schools in the area? This is simply a result of declining enrollment at Catholic schools nationwide. This argument is baseless.

There are also racist undertones in the contributor's writing. In this particular sentence

The Mayor should not be held solely at fault however, Thompson v. HUD (1994)[8] essentially forced the government to forcefully integrate the neighborhood which failed miserably as the area is now predominantly black.

the writer makes it seem as if Thompson v. HUD was bad. The basic gist of Thompson v. HUD was that the courts told HUD that they couldn't segregate their tenants based on race or income. Anyone who is against that only makes themselves sound foolish and racist.

The only thing I agree with this contributor is on their reference to Gary Waicker and his terrible investment schemes. --Belairedison (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The description of Belair-Edison is an unfairly written, incorrect view of this neighborhood. The first mistake is that Belair-Edison does not border along Harford Road. Secondly, the article reads like there are mostly poor African-Americans who live in Belair-Edison. Please know that this neighborhood, while predominantly African-American, is stable with a 75% homeownership rate with house values steadily climbing. My issue with this article is that is does not reflect the entire neighborhood. There is a 300-acre park that runs throughout the neighborhood. The neighbors get together and do social building activities with each other to include, block projects, "pick your neighbor" parties, movies in the park and ice cream socials. There is a golf course inside of the neighborhood. This neighborhood houses one of the City's nine Main Street programs, based in the principles of the Main Street model from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. It is a premiere Healthy Neighborhoods destinations (one of ten programs throughout the City), and employs an asset based approach to community revitalization. The author fails to mention, that when foreclosure rates in the entire City of Baltimore were up in 2005, they were down in Belair-Edison.

I just really feel that the article is a narrow-minded view of this very stable neighborhood. This betrayal is unfair to the nearly 18,000 residents who really have invested their time, energy, and resources to keep this area an anchor in Northeast Baltimore. Please understand that everyone in this neighborhood is NOT poor and every kid is NOT a gang banger or drug dealer. The fact that the author uses "urban decay" as it relates to Belair-Edison, lets me know that this person is not that familiar with Baltimore and should not be the voice to define Belair-Edison. As a courtesy for those who live in Belair-Edison and take pride in it, I WILL re-write this article to better define this wonderful asset building neighborhood.

--Jrichardson3412 13:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The description of Belair-Edison is provided courtesy of not only a long time former resident but of many other long time former residents who have also since relocated. Hardly anyone that live in Belair-Edison in the 1940s through the 1990s still resides there as former Mayor Schmoke's grand ideas to tear down the high rise projects and attempt to integrate poor, low income families into a stable middle class neighborhoods failed miserably. Comparing Belair-Edison so say, Hamilton, is a joke. Calling Herring Run a 300 acre park is mighty kind as the 300 acre park probably has more crime in a given month than most states do in a year. Same thing for the golf course, sounds great, but watch your clubs and watch for the locals walking through whenever they feel like it. Not exactly Pebble Beach.

As for the reason foreclosures were down in Belair-Edison, well it doesn't take a real estate guru to figure it out. The ownership turnover rate was low and Belair-Edison residents didn't find themselves paying 550k for a house in Canton that a year later could hardly be sold for 400k.

If you don't think this neighborhood is a sign of urban decay, take a trip down to Belair and Erdman after school has let out. Or walk down Pelham Ave near the once proud Catholic school that is no longer in existence. Take a stroll through Mannasota where mom and pop shops have been replaced with stores resembling Greenmount Ave. To say the author is unfamiliar with the area is almost as off base as the discussion initiated above.

Perhaps in the reply the author will address the Baltimore Sun story posted in the links section on the article page regarding this great neighborhood.

Or how about this murder, which ironically enough, happened this morning? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-md.me.ci.slay20jul20,0,5355789.story

Or how about the 7 June 2007 murder of Demetrius Burnette on Bonview Ave?

Or how about the 9 May 2007 murder on Raymonn Ave?

Shall I continue? Let's face it, the city will never change with the current leadership. Violent crime and murder is out of control for a city of this size, hell we would love to have New Yorks murder/violent crime rate and many people from Baltimore don't go there for fear of crime!

--AirmanJeff 17:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Double Homicide in broad daylight

Wow, what a great place! Get in on it!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-te.md.belair22sep22,0,6167523.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.133.86 (talk) 15:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I lived in this area for a time. Raymonn, in fact. It is a heavily black neighborhood, and extremely dangerous. People are racist. This is a failed project neighborhood.71.166.8.227 (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

First of the section reads like some one opinion, and is based on an artile in the The Sun, listed in the external links, that really has not much to do with what is being said in the artile. The section tries to apply issues in the article to a hardly related court case in regards to public housing in Baltimore. Either way the toen in the section needs to be reworked to less of a op-ed and more plus better sitations should be included. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First "off" you sound like a product of the local holding facility err I mean school, Brehm's Lane.

There is nothing wrong with the "tone" unless you have a problem with the truth.

--AirmanJeff 17:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another fatal shooting in the 3300 blk of Elmora Ave on November 2....

such a great place to live!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-md.blotter15nov15,0,4509603.story

--AirmanJeff 21:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update folks, its been a while

Three murders during the week of September 26, 2007 http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=14582e

December 12, 2007, another two murders http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=13052

Let's make 2008 GREAT!

January 4, 2008 - murder across from Little Flower, 2800 block of Kentucky Ave.

January 17, 2008, 19 year old murdered, 3500 block of Cliftmont Ave.

January 20th, 2008, domestic murder, 2700 block of Pelham Ave.

March 23, 2008, 21 year old murdered, 3700 block of Ravenwood Ave.

May 4, 2008 - another murder, 3200 block of Belair Rd, Northeast district now leads the city in murders for 2008.

--AirmanJeff 10:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belair-Edison, get it on it! http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.shooting24aug24,0,5326045.story —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.157.25 (talk) 17:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree completely with this article. I attended that great Catholic school now being shut down and lived on Brendan and Woodstock Ave my entire childhood. All of my classmates and friends lived in the neighborhood and we could walk to each others houses and not have to worry about getting stuck-up,harrassed, or more extremely, killed. I played sports for the Shrine of the Little Flower at Herring Run Park/surrounding parks and never had to worry about who was hiding in the woods or wat kind of syringe I would find on the bike trails that me and my father use to ride.

I loved that neighborhood and wish it could be the way it was. I would leave where I am right now in a heart beat if it was back to how it used to be. The sad fact is you cant! Fr. Orchick at SOTLF was robbed at the church not more then a couple years ago. Who does that????? Rob a church, and I think it was a collection for the holidays if I'm not mistaken! Schmoke destroyed what was a strong community where everyone knew eachother and would have never thought they would ever have to leave due to fear.

I don't know the whole history, racial make-up or what the population density is or the avg. income blah blah but all of that is irrelevant when the real 'history' etc. is already in the past and it's obvious that the future is bleak. So ontop of writing where it declined, in a little bit of defense, write how it use to be great but no one can tell me there is anything really positive going on there.

Snosno (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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