Talk:Benito Mussolini

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Mussolini was effective LEADER of the PSI[edit]


Historicat (talk) 11:25, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

I was slightly shocked to discover that Mussolini's Leadership of the PSI (1912-1914) is not included in this biography. He was not just a member of the PSI, he was the leading member of the Party Directorate after being elected at the Congress of Reggio Emilia in 1912.

"Mussolini's efforts, as Party Leader and editor of Avanti!, brought considerable success for Italian Socialism." page 136. Young Mussolini and the Intellectual Origins of Fascism By Anthony James Gregor, University of California Press, 1 Jan 1979

At the age of 29 Musssolini was an out and out Marxist and Revolutionary Socialist.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DTZ_holEfS0C&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=Partito+Socialista+Italiano+mussolini&source=bl&ots=4szsG8H5gr&sig=di4NX8Ix6GiLlPdjWU0rRIs551w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5RXlU9fyNonn8AWLmoK4DA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=Partito%20Socialista%20Italiano%20mussolini&f=false

"In 1912, aged twenty-nine, and still young-looking, thin, stern, with large, dark, luminous eyes, he took over the Italian Socialist Party at the Congress of Reggio Emilia, by insisting that socialism must be Marxist, thoroughgoing, internationalist, uncompromising. Lenin, reporting the congress for Pravda (15 July 1912), rejoiced: 'The party of the Italian socialist proletariat has taken the right path.'" Paul Johnson. 1983. Modern Times. Harper Collins. p.57 http://archive.org/stream/ModernTimes_305/42024947-19032115-Johnson-Paul-Modern-Times-the-World-From-the-Twenties-to-the-Nineties-Revised-Edition-Harper-Collins-1991_djvu.txt


"On July 7, 1912, the Italian Socialist Party opened its thirteenth national congress in Reggio Emilia. Participating as an almost unknown delegate from the Forlì province, Mussolini emerged from the congress with a personal success and an appointment to the national leadership of the party."

Falasca-Zamponi, Simonetta. Fascist Spectacle: The Aesthetics of Power in Mussolini's Italy. Berkeley: University of California Press, c1997 1997. http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult.conspiracy.and.related/Falasca-Zamponi,%20Simonetta%20-%20Fascist%20Spectacle.pdf

How can you just say he was a mere member of the Italian Soialist Party? He was on the National Directorate and de facto leader!

You are right, in the next days I will fix it. Alex2006 (talk) 09:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You might be interested that Mussolini set up the Lugano Conference in 1914 that led to the re-invigoration of the Socialist International http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oUnkIgf2aH0C&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=lugano+conference+mussolini&source=bl&ots=R6spb5oKW3&sig=XB_Mks4uZAp_ae_NZUO865AtXtc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0cMEVKHtNc-58gW88YHgBQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=lugano%20conference%20mussolini&f=false

Mussolini changed his view as Italy entered the war but the child of Lugano was the Zimmerwald Conference and the rise in popularity of Lenin. Mussolini was pivotal to both Internationalist and National Socialism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.225.46 (talk) 19:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggested text, replace:

Originally a member of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI), Mussolini was expelled from the PSI due to his opposition to the party's stance on neutrality in World War I.

with:

In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI)[1]. Prior to 1914 he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[2] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept through Europe from 1917. Mussolini was expelled from the PSI due to his opposition to the party's stance on neutrality in World War I.

Yes check.svg Done Sam Sing! 23:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Anthony James Gregor (1979). Young Mussolini and the Intellectual Origins of Fascism. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0520037991. 
  2. ^ Masao Nishikawa (2010). Socialists and International Actions for Peace 1914-1923. Frank & Timme GmbH. ISBN 978-3-86596-066-5. 

Dead links in reference 16[edit]

The reference number 16 has dead links. The ".php" extension should be part of the 3 links and not in the text. Please correct. Pmau (talk) 08:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Duce[edit]

As far as I know, that was not his official title? -- Director (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

One of two: he was "Presidente del consiglio dei ministri" (Prime Minister) AND "Duce del Fascismo". Alex2006 (talk) 20:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but isn't "Duce of Fascism" simply the title of the head of the PNF?
Either way the infobox seems to be incorrectly laid out. We don't list two separate political functions together simply because they were held at the same time.. -- Director (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
This is correct, the "Duce" was the head of the Fascist party. About the separateness you are also right. On 25 July 1943 Mussolini got a vote of no confidence, but remained the Duce, and on the same day was forced to resign as Prime Minister. Alex2006 (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget he had 2 Duce titles: he was later Duce of the Italian Social Republic which was a state rather than a party title. Is it certain that "Duce of Fascism" was only a party title? That source implies that the two were of equivalent status. DeCausa (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I'll get to work on giving the old bastard an up-to-standard infobox and succession boxes... -- Director (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Modified infobox and succession boxes:
  • Separated head of government office and the 'Duce of Fascism' office. As far as I can gather, the latter is a title for the head of the National Fascist Party; M was Duce of Fascism before becoming PM.
  • Removed duplication in the head-of-government office essentially being listed twice.
  • Removed First Marshal as its a military rank, not a political office (it belongs below in the Military service part of the infobox).
  • Added terms as minister of foreign affairs and minister of the interior.
  • The succession boxes (down at the bottom) are now properly listed in chronological succession.
  • Added party political and military offices down there as well, and shortened entries into actual titles.
-- Director (talk) 15:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for pronunciation[edit]

It's [mussoˈlini] and not [musoˈlini], see Gemination#Italian. Please edit as suggested and promptly. This is the source. --79.3.10.27 (talk) 13:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done It's shameful that wrong pronunciation was added in such important article and that nobody corrected it despite the request! --84101e40247 (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)