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Averroes a Berber?[edit]

There is no evidence that Averroes was a Berber. He was an Arabic-speaking Muslim from Spain (Andalus). Perhaps some European/Western authors say he was of Berber ancestry, but this is biased thinking. It is based on the assumption that the majority of Muslims in Spain were Berbers. In fact, as is pointed out by multiple sources and more modern scholarly works (and the articles in Wikipedia itself), most of the Muslims in Spain (especially by the time of Averroes) were Muladi aka Islamized & Arabized Spaniards. If anything, Averroes was a Muslim Spaniard/Iberian who's ethnic identity was most likely Arab. There is nothing to indicate that he was either descended from Berbers or that he even believed he had any Berber in him. To say he was Berber is to project an outdated belief (that most/all Andalusian Muslims were Berbers) onto a man who in all likelihood identified as an Andalusian Arab and who might have been aware that he was descended from Mozarabic/Spanish/Iberian Christians.--Fernirm (talk) 22:07, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but Dihya Kahina was still a Berber and my mosaic still got reverted to an original. And how do we know that Loreen was a Berber? All it says was that she's Moroccan, and I highly doubt Karim Benzama was a Berber either. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 02:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

Ethnic Berbers[edit]

I have just made this edit[1].

Obviously we don't need to make reference to those speakers of Berber because the part deals with the size of the ethnic group particularly with regard to those that no longer speak a Berber tongue. Basically, ethnicity is defined - not by parental or recorded heritage - but by individual identity. The fact is that there many many who identify as Berber or declare a Berber pedigree and these are known from the censa of the relevant countries. As such, my edit clarifies this point. --IHBR-YSA (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox needs work[edit]

I count only 14 names; there are 16 photos in the mosaic! Click on it, and File:Berbers_Mosaic.jpg doesn't list the names in order but does list 16 source images, from which the right names visually matched. A job for a wikignome with more time than I have at the moment.... --Middle 8 (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I had a good one up there, until some dipshit decided to change back to this joke they'd call a mosaic. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
The fifth picture is of Abdelkader el Djezairi, a 19th century Algerian nobleman. The other missing description belongs to the tenth photo; that is Kateb Yacine, an Algerian authour. As far as I can tell, both are, in fact, of Berber ethnicity besides being Algerians. The Yacine picture can be checked against his French entry; I'm sure it has credentials there. Wiki_Walker_Texas_ranger (talk) 0:34, 27 April 2014
Fixed. I couldn't see anything on Abdelkader's page about being a Berber, but I'll leave that for people that actually understand the subject. 130.216.173.20 (talk) 10:17, 15 June 2014 (UTC)