Talk:Bernard Sumner

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Surname[edit]

The article isn't very explicit on what surname Bernard used when he was in Joy Division (Dicken, Albrecht or Sumner). I myself am kind of confused.

I think it should mention that he was born Dicken, the brief period he used the name Albrecht, and his subsequent settling on the name Sumner. If there are no objections I will go ahead and do that. sugarfish (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
There are a lot of Sources in Internet, for example Bernard Sumner on Discogs, Bernard Sumner on Russian Wikipedia, on IMDB and so on where it said that his Birth name was Bernard Dicken, his Alternate names was Albrecht, Albrecht-Dickens, Barney Rubble etc. So I think we should to change Birth name line Bernard SumnerBernard Dicken. --Antara-2009 (talk) 10:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Discogs.com, other wikis and imdb are not reliable sources as they are user submitted. We would need a source from a printed publication (book, newspaper, magazine) or from a website that complies with WP:RS and WP:SPS. --JD554 (talk) 11:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This page at MySpace claims to be 'official' and gives Sumner's birth name as Bernard Dicken. That page links to the 'Band Website' www.neworderonline.com which gives the same information here (but note here "We are NOT an official New Order website".) Mr Stephen (talk) 11:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The trouble with MySpace is that it can be difficult to establish if genuinely is the official page. As you pointed out the other website is not official. I think we still need a good reliable source. --JD554 (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

←I'll re-add "Dicken" as his birth name as I've found a couple of reliable sources now[1][2]. --JD554 (talk) 11:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy of the Waterstones reference library, it seems it's a bit more complicated. David Nolan devotes several pages to the issue in a book, acknowledging that it's a murky business. In short, Nolan has it that Sumner was born Sumner, then his mother married someone called Dicken (IIRC it was Dickin, but common sense suggests my memory is faulty). Nolan, David (2007). Bernard Sumner: Confusion - Joy Division, Electronic and New Order Versus the World. Church Stretton: Independent Music. pp. 15–25. ISBN 978-0955282263.  Mr Stephen (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Currently the article makes no mention of any name besides Sumner. At least a brief acknowledgment that he has used other names is probably in order, if only for people who have seen him listed as Bernard Albrecht. I'm not sure I know the history well enough to attempt the edit - my recollection is that he gave his name as both Albrecht and Sumner during the JD period, and gradually dropped the Albrecht (I don't recall him using Dickens or any other name), but again I'm not confident enough to attempt to change. --CAVincent (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

'He is a fan of Manchester United football club'[edit]

I thought he wasn't interested in football - hence Keith Allen's involvement in World In Motion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.217.179 (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Electronic[edit]

I know they're not as important as Joy Division or NO, but surely Electronic deserve more than a single sentence in a paragraph describing various collaborations? They did produce three critically acclaimed albums after all. Pjc51 (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Divorce[edit]

The article mentions that the song "Round & Round" is about Sumner's divorce without citing any sources. Meanwhile, the article for the song itself mentions (also without citing a source) that the song is about Sumner's relationship with Tony Wilson of Factory Records. Both seem plausible. Neither has any evidence to back it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.2.68 (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

"You all forgot Rudolf Hess"[edit]

In what context and why did Bernard say: "You all forgot Rudolf Hess" Can anyone answer that for me, please? Thank-you. (120.149.113.145 (talk) 08:17, 29 November 2013 (UTC))