Talk:Beyoncé Knowles

Requested move (July 2010)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move page at this time, per discussion below. This one is close, but there's not a strong enough consensus here to move the page. - GTBacchus^(talk) 17:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé — Obvious case of WP:COMMONNAME. Note that this requested move also applies to Beyoncé Knowles discography and any article ending with "(Beyoncé Knowles song)"; frankly, I'm too lazy to fill out the move-multi template for that many articles. I'm aware that a move request was made not too long ago in March, but I still have some points to make that I don't think were addressed.

Firstly, I think it's fair to say that Knowles is more well-known for her musical than dramatic endeavors; as far as I know, she only uses her legal name when acting. Musically, she is known by the mononym. Secondly, let's take a look at ghits (all numbers are by the millions). Compare 1.35 and 5.02 for "beyoncé knowles" and "beyonce knowles" (both without quotes), respectively, to "beyoncé" and "beyonce"'s respective 13.2 and 43.7.

A concern was raised at the last move request that Knowles is not the only person with the name Beyoncé. That being said, she is the only person well known by that singular name and wiki does not have any articles on others with the same forename. If any are created, dablinks can easily be added to the top of this article as Knowles would almost certainly be the primary topic. |Relisting billinghurst sDrewth 22:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC) |–Chase (talk) 08:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

And re:this comment from the last move req: "What's funny is that a guideline specifically uses Ms. Knowles as an example of when one should include WP:LASTNAME." LASTNAME is actually about subsequent uses of last names in an article, not what an article should be titled. Therefore, everything referring to Knowles after the first sentence would remain "Knowles". –Chase (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. My sense is that this still doesn't rise to the level of the ur-examples, Madonna and Cher. Powers ^T 15:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Could you explain why you think so? The ghits say a lot... –Chase (talk) 18:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Indeed they do; compare Beyonce's ratio to those for "Madonna Ciccone" and "Cherilyn Sarkisian". =) (The tricky part, of course, being that all three mononyms can refer to other things besides the artists, especially "Madonna".) Powers ^T 19:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
    • In the case of Cher, Cher (disambiguation) exists to avoid confusion and the Madonna article itself is disambiguated with "(entertainer)". Ms. Knowles is at this point, the only notable subject on wiki with the name Beyoncé (hence why that currently redirects here). –Chase (talk) 21:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
      • Additionally, Cher and Madonna have greater mononym to real name ratios because they almost always use their mononyms professionally. Knowles often uses her legal name when acting but the ghits still show that she is far more well-known simply as Beyoncé. –Chase (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
        • The fact that Knowles often uses her legal name is sufficient in my book to keep the article at its current title. Powers ^T 23:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
          • What she is occasionally known as is ruled out by what she is more well known as, per WP:COMMONNAME. –Chase (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
            • Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) says "Similarly, don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." I believe Beyonce still falls into that category. Powers ^T 12:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
      • I certainly don't dispute that this article is the primary topic for Beyonce. Powers ^T 23:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Beyonce was known as Beyonce Knowles for a long time, unlike Madonna and Cher. 76.66.192.55 (talk) 22:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Key word: was. We go with what she is more well-known as per WP:COMMONNAME and Google shows that Beyoncé alone is far more common. –Chase (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
  • No it's not a key word. She is known as BK for a long time is not proper English. 76.66.192.55 (talk) 02:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
    • What I mean is that she was well known as Beyoncé Knowles back in the Destiny's Child days and currently occasionally in her film roles. She is more well known as Beyoncé now. –Chase (talk) 04:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
      • 50 Cent goes by his birth name Curtis Jackson when he appears in movies, does that mean that we should move "50 Cent" to "Curtis Jackson"? Beyoncé is far more well-known under her mononym than she is under her full name. Her albums are officially released under her first name only, news articles mainly refer to her as just "Beyoncé" and not "Beyoncé Knowles". Even her official website refers to her by her first name only http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/home . 24.189.87.160 (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support As above, she is overwhelmingly known simply as Beyoncé. I wasn't even aware of her surname before reading this article. City of Destruction (The Celestial City) 00:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Beyoncé is also known as B. Knowles in her work on the films, credits of her songs, and some music videos. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• Songwriting credits should not be taken into consideration, since any songwriter with a stage name will be credited with their legal name. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
• May I ask which music videos? And as the IP above me said, most songwriters are generally credited with their legal names. –Chase (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The most recent is one, and I think that this is the only, at least in the screen. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support Beyoncé is the common name and she is the primary topic. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
• she is not overwealmingly known as beyoncé, she has however over the years been referred to simply as beyoncé increasingly but not enough to cut her last name out, either way its really not that big of a deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanetwork (talk • contribs) 18:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• Take a look at Google - she is far more well known just as Beyoncé than as Beyoncé Knowles. –Chase (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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• Support Beyoncé is her stage name and she is known for it. I say that Beyoncé should be the title of this article. Iluvmarchingband (talk) 19:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I think Beyonce should be added to the "African American Female Singers" list on Wikipedia

I think that Beyonce should be added to the following category:

New Image

I'm not going to attempt to change the image on here as I'll most likely do it wrong, but surely there's a more recent image of her that could be used? The current one is a month short of being 4 years old! Angelic-alyssa (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

If you can suggest one I will be very open to changing it. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I've changed the image to one from her I Am... Tour. But if anyone doesn't like it, then it can be changed to a different one. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 06:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Please do not get me wrong. I really do not like this image. We should find one that really lays emphasis on her face but recent. Maybe 2010 or 2011. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I work with Beyonce's management team (Parkwood Entertainment) and they are not all that happy with this photo either. I have uploaded an approved photo I received from Parkwood to Wikimedia Commons and I will try to change the image to that photo. (Parkwood controls the copyright in the photograph.) gsshatan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC).

I couldn't find that image you uploaded but I've changed the image to one that shows more of her face (which is important). I hope you like it. Oz ^talk 00:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Gsshatan, the image you uploaded to Commons was, or appeared to be, a copyright violation. If Beyonce's reps have given permission to use an image, it should probably go through OTRS. As for this new image, while it is a front view and shows her full face, the quality and lighting is significantly poorer. I personally prefer the previous image. —Andrew_stalk 00:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't like the previous image because the microphone is blocking her mouth lol. But if quality is the problem then you can revert it back. Oz ^talk 00:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for posting the new image. This photo is preferable, according to her representatives. I do see the point about the lighting, though. I am going to need to put the photo that her reps supplied through OTRS. It's not a copyright violation; the image is owned by one of her companies (it acquired the copyright from the photographer,Tony Duran) and it was provided to Time Magazine on a one-time use basis and used on their cover earlier this year. That's all too complicated for the standard upload procedure as far as I can tell....Gsshatan (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The image I received from her reps and posted to Commons (Beyonce Knowles with necklaces) has now been approved by OTRS. I have posted this image in the infobox. I think I did this correctly, but if there are any issues, please let me know. Thank you for your assistance with this. Gsshatan (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce Knowles highest paid performer per minute

• Source. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Y Done Oz ^talk 11:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute-6260663.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 12:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC) http://www.financialexpress.com/news/beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute/874427/ http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Beyonce+Knowles-43076.html http://www.list.co.uk/article/38639-beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 12:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Legacy

• Mary J. Blige say that beyoncé inspired her!

“I love Beyonce,” Blige adds. “She inspires me and it’s a blessing to have her on the song.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT_R_7btCrQ&feature=player_embedded (At time 5:25)

• You can see it here too:

"It doesn’t get any better than that. I mean love Beyoncé, she inspires me. It’s a blessing to have her on the record.” http://iluluonline.com/video-mary-j-blige-talks-beyonce-collaboration-inspiration/

• And here too:

http://twanatells.com/2011/11/08/mary-j-blige-talks-working-with-beyonce-more/

• White Rabbits Beyoncé Inspired Album

http://www.spin.com/articles/white-rabbits-start-road-testing-beyonce-inspired-album

Y Done Oz ^talk 11:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

• Beyoncé is the first and only artist to sing three of the Oscar nominates for the Best Song during the telecast

THIS IS TRUE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOaBKcuI4Ag&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLA40EB75F7855713A http://beyoncegalaxy.wordpress.com/records/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Who is the Sexiest Mom-To-Be?

• http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/beyonce-tops-list-sexy-star-moms/story?id=14828595#.TsPb9z1C998

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

that seems like it could belong in a magazine but not an encyclopedia. HotshotCleaner (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Public Image

_Beyoncé Most Fashionable Pregnant Star, Survey Says

In a survey by the Daily Mail, 35% of moms-to-be said Beyoncé is an artist they respect and whose style they want to copy. "But we most definitely agree with 35 percent of voters, who said that they love Bey's laid-back 'tude and non-flashy style (well, save for the shoes -- the maternity heels have truly been a sight to see)." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/beyonce-most-fashionable-pregnant_n_1123824.html?1322770685&ref=style — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 10:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

_Beyoncé highest paid performer per minute

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute-6260663.html http://www.financialexpress.com/news/beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute/874427/ http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Beyonce+Knowles-43076.html http://www.list.co.uk/article/38639-beyonce-knowles-highest-paid-performer-per-minute/

"Her music is invigorating; it really brightens my mood and fires my imagination. Beyoncé is a beautiful, elegant woman." - Azzedina Alaia

"Beyoncé wearing one of my dresses is harmony." - Roberto Cavalli

"Givenchy is made for Beyoncé. I cannot wait for her to give birth. Because I want do have goose bumps when I see her back in Givenchy." - Riccardo Tisci (Givenchy)

"Beyoncé is a force." - Tom Ford

From an African Queen to a sexy Goddess; from a trailer park sensation to a breathtaking impersonation of Dietrich; from a rodeo heroine to simply a King, Beyoncé has graced her unique approach to style in an eclectic range of editorials--a pure elegant beauty with an underlying sizzle that symbolizes sexy. In this tour de force, let's take a look at the most memorable style moments of Vogue's Best Dressed honoree.

http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/2011-4-beyonc%C3%A9-highlights-year-sartorial-duty http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HWDhwdyDGB8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Again

• http://ibnlive.in.com/news/beyonce-voted-most-stylish-mothertobe/208032-45.html

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101344_2101159,00.html

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Stage

Beyoncé wins 2011 simply for loving the job more than everyone else. Beyoncé was simply born to be on stage, wear shiny clothes, and work a room—but because Beyoncé means it, wants it, has the voice, and knows whom to hire to flesh out her ideas.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2011/12/the-best-music-of-2011-the-american-singers.html#ixzz1gBXNXZdb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 01:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

2010–present: New management, 4 and pregnancy

Beyoncé had the winning moment of 2011

Beyoncé's "Love on Top" performance and revelation at the VMAs was named the #1 winning moment of the year in VH1's countdown of the Top 40 winning moments/events of 2011!

http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/beyonc%C3%A9-had-winning-moment-2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Highest-Earning Female Singers

4. Beyonce Knowles (35 million while resting at home)

Y Done Oz ^talk 11:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

CMU Artists Of The Year 2011: Beyonce

[1]

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

[2]

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

2010–present: New management, 4 and pregnancy

BEYONCÉ CELEBRATES THE NEW YEAR!! Beyoncé joins Dick Clark's Rockin' Eve with Ryan Seacrest in counting down to the New Year with a special performance of "I Was Here". This is the 40th Anniversary of the biggest New Year's Eve party. Tune in this Saturday evening, December 31, on ABC television, nationally. http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/beyonc%C3%A9-celebrates-new-year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 18:54, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

2010-11 and 2011-present

In 2010-11 and 2011-present you repeat the same news: "Knowles was placed fourth on Forbes magazine's 2011 list of the "Top-Earning Women In Music" for earning $35 million." You should remove on 2011-present, are already there in 2010-11!: ("In June 2011, Forbes placed Knowles eighth on its list of "Best-Paid Celebrities Under 30" for earning $35 million between the months of May 2010 and 2011. Forbes noted that was low placement for Knowles was due to the fact she spent most of the past year off the road and recording her then upcoming fourth studio album.")

They are both different lists. Beyonce was still on a break in early 2011. The section was getting too long so I separated it. Oz ^talk 00:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

present: 4 and motherhood

Beyonce Gives Birth To a Baby Girl

The 30-year-old pop singer gave birth to a baby girl late last night (Jan. 7) in NYC, according to The Houston Chronicle. According to reports, the baby girl's name is Ivy Blue Carter; E! Online News writes that the name is Blue Ivy Carter, although #ivyblue became a worldwide trending topic on Twitter immediately after the news broke.

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/beyonce-gives-birth-to-a-baby-girl-1005758352.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 10:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Oz ^talk 11:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Public Image . Legacy . 4 . Influences

Public Image

Sexiest Magazine Covers 7. Beyoncé - Giant, December 2008/January 2009 "Of all the ladies on this list, Beyonce is the most clothed. But it's not always what you take off that makes you sexy. With her ankle booties, fishnets and that undeniably gorgeous face, don't you want to climb into that cozy and comfy bubble chair with her? Sometimes it's what you don't show that make you mysterious and the Queen B has enraptured us with her appealing mystique." http://popcrush.com/sexiest-magazine-covers-ladies-edition/

_Beyoncé Most Fashionable Pregnant Star, Survey Says In a survey by the Daily Mail, 35% of moms-to-be said Beyoncé is an artist they respect and whose style they want to copy. "But we most definitely agree with 35 percent of voters, who said that they love Bey's laid-back 'tude and non-flashy style (well, save for the shoes -- the maternity heels have truly been a sight to see)." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/beyonce-most-fashionable-pregnant_n_1123824.html?1322770685&ref=style

"Her music is invigorating; it really brightens my mood and fires my imagination. Beyoncé is a beautiful, elegant woman." - Azzedina Alaia "Beyoncé wearing one of my dresses is harmony." - Roberto Cavalli "Givenchy is made for Beyoncé. I cannot wait for her to give birth. Because I want do have goose bumps when I see her back in Givenchy." - Riccardo Tisci (Givenchy) "Beyoncé is a force." - Tom Ford. From an African Queen to a sexy Goddess; from a trailer park sensation to a breathtaking impersonation of Dietrich; from a rodeo heroine to simply a King, Beyoncé has graced her unique approach to style in an eclectic range of editorials--a pure elegant beauty with an underlying sizzle that symbolizes sexy. In this tour de force, let's take a look at the most memorable style moments of Vogue's Best Dressed honoree.http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/2011-4-beyonc%C3%A9-highlights-year-sartorial-duty http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HWDhwdyDGB8

Beyoncé as a Political Figure? - http://news.rutgers.edu/focus/issue.2012-01-03.4307075525/article.2012-01-09.3710058680 “She certainly pushes boundaries,” Allred says. “While other artists are simply releasing music, she’s creating a grand narrative around her life, her career, and her persona.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

"Buying Beyonce" Beyonce sells new dream, says Professor - In an article that was written for Celebrity Studies (a journal that focuses on analyzing celebrity, stardom and fame) titled “Buying Beyonce”, Ellis Cashmore says that Beyonce’s ability to sell her brand that extends beyond music and into movies, clothing, ringtones and perfume proves to people that racism is over. Although Cashmore acknowledges that Beyonce may be seen as a symbol of the change in people’s thinking’s regarding racism, he states that it is a bit misleading because the USA is still “mired in its past.” “In a sense she is unique,” Ellis says referring to Beyonce. “Her earnings and her influence make her the most globally conspicuously successful black woman this side of Oprah, and, remember, she isn’t 29 till September.” http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?nItemID=35760

Legacy

• Mary J. Blige say that beyoncé inspired her! “I love Beyonce,” Blige adds. “She inspires me and it’s a blessing to have her on the song.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT_R_7btCrQ&feature=player_embedded

• You can see it here too: "It doesn’t get any better than that. I mean love Beyoncé, she inspires me. It’s a blessing to have her on the record.” http://iluluonline.com/video-mary-j-blige-talks-beyonce-collaboration-inspiration/

• And here too: http://twanatells.com/2011/11/08/mary-j-blige-talks-working-with-beyonce-more/

Beyoncé is the first and only artist to sing three of the Oscar nominates for the Best Song during the telecast THIS IS TRUE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOaBKcuI4Ag&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLA40EB75F7855713A

Beyonce turns into Queen Elizabeth I - Interesting photograph to represent the Legacy section: Artwork showing Beyonce during the MTV Voices Dinner during the MTV Europe Music Awards 2011 at the Merchant Hotel on November 5, 2011 in Belfast, Northern Ireland. (Photo by Dave J Hogan/Getty Images) "SHE sure is a grand dame of the modern musical era." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/beyonce-turns-into-queen-elizabeth-1/story-e6frewyr-1226187153292 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/beyonce-lady-gaga-adele-a_n_1080214.html

Clint Eastwood: "She has a superb voice. She could become a new Sarah Vaughan or the next Ella Fitzgerald. She has the same class." http://madamenoire.com/129101/beyonces-the-next-ella-fitzgerald-clint-eastwood-thinks-so/ http://thelavalizard.com/2012/01/signs-of-madness-clint-eastwood-compares-beyonce-to-ella-fitzgerald/ http://thatgrapejuice.net/2012/01/clint-eastwood-beyonce-ella-fitzgerald/

"4"

Beyoncé had the winning moment of 2011 Beyoncé's "Love on Top" performance and revelation at the VMAs was named the #1 winning moment of the year in VH1's countdown of the Top 40 winning moments/events of 2011! http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/beyonc%C3%A9-had-winning-moment-2011

Blue Ivy Carter

Joint statement from Beyoncé & JAY Z…: "Hello Hello Baby Blue! We are happy to announce the arrival of our beautiful daughter, Blue Ivy Carter, born on Saturday, January 7, 2012. Her birth was emotional and extremely peaceful, we are in heaven. She was delivered naturally at a healthy 7 lbs and it was the best experience of both of our lives. We are thankful to everyone for all your prayers, well wishes, love and support." - Beyoncé & JAY Z http://www.beyonceonline.com/pt/news/joint-statement-beyonc%C3%A9-jay-z%E2%80%A6

Blue Ivy Lullabies by The Jingle Punks Hipster Orchestra The Jingle Punks Hipster Orchestra creates lullabies for Blue Ivy Carter - The Jingle Punks Hipster Orchestra sends a musical congratulations to Jay Z and Beyonce on their ultimate mashup. http://hipsterorchestra.bandcamp.com/ http://stashonline.com/stash-v2/video/the-jingle-punks-hipster-orchestra-creates-lullabies-for-blue-ivy-carter/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 13:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

INFLUENCES

- Josephine Baker

Beyoncé Knowles has portrayed Baker on various accounts throughout her career. During the 2006 Fashion Rocks show, Knowles performed "Dejá Vu" in a revised version of the Danse banane costume. In Knowles's video for "Naughty Girl", she is seen dancing in a huge champagne glass á La Baker. In I Am... Yours: An Intimate Performance at Wynn Las Vegas, Beyonce lists Baker as an influence of a section of her live show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Baker

When Beyonce performed at the 2008 Fashion Rocks 5th Anniversary, she paid homage to Ms. Baker by wearing her own skirt of bananas and appearing on stage with a bevy of background dancers in the same costume. As a backdrop for Beyonce’s performance several larger than life photographs of Josephine Baker were revealed on stage,exposing a whole new generation to the legendary icon. http://www.ammomag.com/1068553/Josephine-Baker-Fashion-Icon

Influenced her album B'Day: "I wanted to be more like Josephine Baker, because she didn't, she seemed like she just was possessed and it seemed like she just danced from her, her heart, and everything was so free,". Beyonce echoed her beliefs. "This record sounds like a woman possessed. It sounds like a woman that is kind of desperate, and I wanted it to just come from the soul. I just did whatever happened there," http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/SummerConcert/story?id=2404367&page=1

- Etta James

"This is a huge loss. Etta James was one of the greatest vocalists of our time. I am so fortunate to have met such a queen. Her musical contributions will last a lifetime. Playing Etta James taught me so much about myself, and singing her music inspired me to be a stronger artist. When she effortlessly opened her mouth, you could hear her pain and triumph. Her deeply emotional way of delivering a song told her story with no filter. She was fearless, and had guts. She will be missed." http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/beyoncé-pays-tribute-eternally-great-etta-james — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.190.124 (talk) 20:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Oz ^talk 23:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The whole fake pregnancy thing

So I have to admit, the whole Beyonce "fake pregnancy" thing seems like something I would see in a tabloid, not an encyclopedia. Doesn't really meet the definition of what should be in an encyclopedia, considering I've now even spent considerable time trying to find reliable sources to get any info on it, and couldn't find anything. Maybe once someone I trust actually says something reasonable about it, I could get behind it, but as of right now I think it's probably best to leave it out. Over time I suspect this is one of those things that will just fade into obscurity. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

• Anyone who intends to comment here, please read this discussion. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry Jivesh, but honestly, I cannot consider such rumors about pregnant bellies collapsing inward to be encyclopaedic. This was gossip, not even news-worthy stuff. So what if Knowles responded to it, it's a bit libel-ish and something one photographer/blogger decided to get famous by doing. And this guy who decided to start the craze is not notable in anyway, unlike an artist who would accuse another of plagiarism. This is a biography and every effort must be made to have the most important and neutral details only.

Many reliable sources have discussed it, but by the looks of it, they all say the exact same thing and it is simply because it is Beyoncé Knowles and not some other unnotable person. The media will release a press regarding anything that has to do with a huge pop star, no matter how dumb or ridiculous it is. So I'll have to support the revert and ask that it not be added. Thanks, —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 01:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

• I have to agree with Penguin too. Wikipedia, is an encyclopedia and as Shirik said, the pregnancy thing sounds "tabloid-y". It's just irrelevant to the article. Novice7 (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 January 2012

all i want to change is that she's married, who she's married to and that she had her child. that's it

Girrlplease (talk) 01:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Beyoncé's security guards

Someone deleted the following:

"In early 2012 when Beyoncé was in the hospital to give birth, her security guards repeatedly prevented Neil Coulon, 38, of Brooklyn, from visiting his wife and their two newly born premature daughters."

The editor who removed it commented:

"This is not relevant here."

But it is relevant here. The article is about Beyoncé, who she is, what she does, how she treats people, how she is thought of in the public eye, etc. It should be put back into the article.

What do other editors think about including or not including this information?

ThFSPB (talk) 02:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so has this been discussed and covered in the media heavily? If not, it's not notable. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 02:36, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The New York Times published this article which is titled "After Beyoncé Gives Birth, Patients Protest Celebrity Security at Lenox Hill Hospital." The New York Post published this article titled "Dad stopped from seeing premature twins by Beyonce's hospital 'takeover'." Fox News published this article titled "Beyonce and Jay-Z's Hospital 'Takeover' Stopped New Dad From Seeing Premature Twins." The Daily Mail in the United Kingdom published this article titled "Beyoncé denies spending $1.3 MILLION for bulletproof maternity wing as father complains the singer's security team 'barred him from seeing premature twins in hospital's intensive care-unit'." The Times Union published this article titled "Dad of premature twins says Beyonce’s Blue Ivy took over hospital." WCHB in Detroit published this article titled "Beyonce and Jay-Z Hospital Security Keeps Man From Seeing Premature Twins." The New York Daily News published this article titled "Brooklyn dad says Beyonce's security stopped him from seeing preemie twins." ThFSPB (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you create a blog and publish the same thing in your style? Do you realize this is an encyclopedia? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 20:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Can go in legacy

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:51, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• • Already added. Oz ^talk 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• • Y Done Oz ^talk 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 January 2012

Please add to the 'Legacy' section that 'In January 2012, Beyonce and Jay Z collectively ranked at No.13 in Billboard's Power 100 chart.'

Only1lottiemac (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce to Be Immortalized With Houston Monument

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• • Y Done Oz ^talk 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce Gets Politicized in Rutgers University Course

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• • Y Done Oz ^talk 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Fact

• In 2002, Beyoncé becomes the first black woman to win ASCAP's Pop Songwriter of the Year Award.

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• • Already mentioned in the article that it was 2001. Oz ^talk 22:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce offered HALF a Billion Dollar.

---> http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/has-simon-cowell-offered-beyonce-500-million-to-join-x-factor/story-e6frfn09-1226261714301

Beyonce to judge for X-FACTOR and was offered $US500 million ($467 million). jmarkfrancia (talk) 10:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

It's just a rumour started by Media fakeTakeout. Not confirmed yet. Oz ^talk 11:37, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Sleigh Bells

[7] jmarkfrancia (talk) 16:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce to shoot music video in Space.

http://www.nme.com/news/beyonce/61400 jmarkfrancia (talk) 16:45, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Another rumour not confirmed. Oz ^talk 22:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Haha! —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

VH1′s 100 Greatest Women In Music 2012 - LEGACY

VH1′s 100 Greatest Women In Music 2012 Beyoncé at number 3. http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-02-13/vh1s-100-greatest-women-in-music-complete-list/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.203.42 (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 21:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé – Although an identical request closed as No consensus last time 'round, now, for goodness sake, the unhyphenated maiden name isn't the style of name by which the subject wishes to be known, any more/tain't diva's full legal name, either: per news reports, court filings, personal Facebook pg.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. I get 3,620 post-2005 English-language Google Book hits for Beyoncé Knowles, 13,000 for Beyoncé -Knowles. The best-selling bio is Beyoncé Crazy in Love: The Beyoncé Knowles Biography. There are four other bios with "Knowles" in the title.[8][9][10][11] IMO, that's "fairly often used", per WP:NCP. I don't see any reason to treat an entertainer referred to by given name differently than a politician referred to by family name. Kauffner (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Cmt - Why did you leave out google hits for the name that was suggested the article be moved to: Beyonce'? Thus your research is not applicable to the current discussion.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose She is credited as Beyoncé Knowles on all her album booklets, movies credits, interviews, etc. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Cmt - That's a reasonable argument, if true. Can you provide links?--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Cmt - OK I just Googled the above unsourced assertion for a not much more than a millisecond only to discover it to be patently false: LINK...jeez! what's with this page!? lol--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm the idiot - the link I provided was to Beyonce' "the character"! <cringes in embarrassemnt> :'~( --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy oppose Beyoncé is her personal name of the singer/actress. "Beyoncé" is the redirect of the article. ApprenticeFan ^work 14:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the previous consensus to not move. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 18:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose; nothing has changed since last time. If Shirley Temple is not at Shirley Temple Black, then I certainly don't see a reason to use Knowles' hyphenated married name, which I couldn't even tell you without reading the article. Powers ^T 19:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Um, perhaps you need to re-read the proposal. It's not to move it to her married name, it's just to move it to Beyonce. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
    • That part was covered by my first sentence. Powers ^T 03:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
      • Well this isn't "last time" and it would be helpful if you expressed your opinion "this time" so all readers of this discussion don't have to go and seek "last time". Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
• Cmt - What has changed since the last move discussion is now article is sourced that living subject's legal name is no longer the unhyphenated Knowles; thus a request is to move her blp to her stage name per wp:TITLE (not to her hyphenated married name: which sadly is a red herring).--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
• Question Can anyone provide a source that indicates that she changed her name legally upon getting married? It isn't automatic.—Kww(talk) 20:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Her personal twitter acct is at CarterKnowles LINK, her Facebook page is at Beyonce' Giselle Knowles Carter LINK her private myspace page is at BeyonceKnowles Carter LINK, and here is a news report LINK and here is reference to a legal filing using her present full legal name LINK.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The Courthouse News link refers to her as "Knowles-Carter", "Knowles", and "Carter", so I'm not going to give it any credence. http://twitter.com/#!/CarterKnowles labels her as "Beyonce Knowles" and points to http://www.facebook.com/beyonce as the Facebook page, which uses only "Beyonce". http://twitter.com/#!/CarterKnowles has only 29 followers, while http://twitter.com/#!/Beyonce has 3,298,490: I know which one I will get on, and the real page doesn't use "Carter". http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beyonc%C3%A9-Giselle-Knowles-Carter/174232052596991 looks like a fanpage. I don't see any use of "Carter" by a credible source.—Kww(talk) 23:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Well - guess folks see what they want. IAC to those without a predetermined agenda: The news article at Courthouse merely references the name on the legal filing (after all lawyers get paid big bucks to first verify and then utilize the correct legal name of those they sue), the facebook page is the subject's page for her fans where she posts baby pix and the like and her twitter acct only has a handful of followers because the tweets are readable only by those she's allowed access. And you neglected to mention the Boston Globe item about her adoption of the hyphenated surname.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 00:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why you would think I have a "predetermined agenda". I had missed the Boston.com link when I was checking your sources, but it only indicates a plan. Any source for the paperwork having been approved? We had a similar problem with the "Destiny Hope Cyrus" to "Miley Cyrus" name change: piles of sources that presumed it had happened months before it actually happened.—Kww(talk) 00:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Geez, Kww, you asked for a single source and I gave count-em five and I could have included many more, but apparently my doing so would be hopeless. If Miss Knowles herself uses the hypenated form on her personal social media accounts (per the guidelines stating that self-published primary sources are considered reliable about the author of the same, herself) and news reports reference her as utilizing that form, What is the problem with the sourcing of the same? Then as for your quibble goes regarding the Courthouse News Svc piece <This is complicated, um ostensibly, so I'll speak slowly....I know, I'm being a d*ck...lol>:

1. Yep, Courthouse News refers to Miss Knowles as Knowles. Why? Because that is the last name by which the artist is reknowns and Courthouse News is a a group of professional journalists.
2. Then, the report references the legal filing, which references Miss Knowles with her hyphenated, legal married last name of Knowles-Carter. Why? Because Courthouse News is a professional legal publication and that information is pertinent to their news report.
3. Finally, Courthouse News quotes the legal brief as referencing Miss Knowles as (Mrs.) Carter. Why? (See the professional way of dealing with quotes that even WP abides by MOS:QUOTE#Quotations here.) Yes, because that is the way the brief-being-quoted actually reads! (I.e., in formal legalese, someone with a hyphenated married name can be referenced by one or the other depending on whether one wants to reference the individual's unmarried surname or their married surname. [Vaguely related to such choices, compare, e.g., this profile of Victorian English novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton the novelist is usually referenced simply as Bulwer owing to the fact that that is the surname of the family he was born into. Yet, the biographical blurb at the website for the tongue-in-cheek Annual Bulwer-Lytton Contest references the author as Lytton as short for his titled name pertaining to his "lordship" status (a la Lord Byron as Byron...).])

   However, the whole issue is at best tangential because the move request would be to her stage name of simply Beyonce', in any case.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It isn't tangential because your justification is basically that "Beyoncé Knowles" is now incorrect, but you haven't demonstrated that she has stopped using it. You haven't demonstrated that the social media sites you are are referencing are actually her, you've provided a citation to a plan to change her name, and you've provided one reference that may or may not support your case. Unconvincing at best.—Kww(talk) 00:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Scores First Adult R&B No. 1 at Billboard.

http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/chart-juice-beyonce-banks-first-adult-r-1006269962.story#/column/the-juice/chart-juice-beyonce-banks-first-adult-r-1006269962.story jmarkfrancia (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protection question

Hi

im a user and i want to ask you guys somthing

im a user and of course i can edit but im just wonder

why another users can edit in page semi portcted and i cant ???????????

please help thanksssssssssssssssssssssss..................................... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sola2012 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you have an account, you should be able to edit. Strange. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

An account must be four days old and have at least 10 edits before semi-protected articles can be edited. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM. - Station1 (talk) 06:12, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Beyonce as cast for movie, One Hit Wonders.

Ryan Murphy Plans ‘One Hit Wonders’ With Gwyneth Paltrow, Reese Witherspoon, Cameron Diaz, Beyonce And Andy Samberg. --> http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/ryan-murphy-plans-one-hit-wonders-with-gwyneth-paltrow-reese-witherspoon-cameron-diaz-beyonce-and-andy-samberg/ jmarkfrancia (talk) 05:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Another news --> Beyonce has signed on to star in a movie musical directed by Glee creator, Ryan Murphy, from BBC News. [12] jmarkfrancia (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)