Talk:Beyoncé

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2014 Record Sales[edit]

"Throughout a career spanning 17 years, she has won 17 Grammy Awards and sold over 141 million records as a solo artist,"

Please change 75 million records to 141 million records because of this page http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=323424 and many more sites that proves that she sold more. And 16 years to 17 years because its been 17 years since her first single with Destiny's Child (No No No 1997). Thank you! Kugeli (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Yellow check.svg Partly done: Although No, No, No (Destiny's Child song) was not released until November 1997, so is not 17 years yet, Men in Black: The Album was released in June 1997, justifying the 17 years, which I have, therefore, changed.
However, the site you have sited for sales is not a reliable source - It even admits it is unsure, by stating "BEYONCÉ'S FULL TOTAL RECORD SALES MUST STAND AROUND 160–180 MILLION."
There are very few reliable sources for record sales - many labels and/or the artists management/promoters inflate the figures.
Even if these figures were reliable, they do not support the change you have asked for, as it appears to include downloads, whereas the article currently refers to records. - Arjayay (talk) 14:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Ventures section[edit]

I personally do not think that all of Beyoncé's key business ventures need to be divided into separate sub headings with a paragraph explaining them all. This could surely go in just one section like I believe it used to be, as it should not be the key focus of the article with too much information. ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Done (reverted): I agree, this doesn't help the article. —JennKR | 00:11, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Beyonce and God[edit]

Beyonce claims to believe in God. Why is there nothing about her religion in her "Personal Life" section? Aaron Saltzer (talk) 17:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

"Personal Life" section[edit]

I strongly recommend getting rid of this section and integrating material into other sections. Much of its content is just overkill, and I suspect it'll become further bloated if the section remains. It doesn't even warrant a separate section in the first place not only because her career and relationship with Jay-Z are closely intertwined, but she also has had no other high-profile relationships. Therefore, her relationship with him as well as daughter Blue should just be integrated into a "Life and career" section—where most of the important detail is already mentioned—along with "Early life". All that really needs to be said about the couple is their work together, when they first started dating, when they married, the birth of Blue, and maybe Beyoncé's miscarriage. I'd say detail on the song "Glory" is better suited in Jay-Z's article than here as it is his song and not Beyoncé's. The "politics" should probably go under "Other ventures". Wealth should potentially be integrated into "life and career" since some of it is already there as well. Her half-brother Nixon doesn't belong in this section either, and I'm not sure if it's even worth mentioning Matthew and Tina's divorce when that could easily go instead on their own articles. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:59, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this section has impertinent material that should be cut down, but I strongly disagree with its removal. Although you're right to say that her relationship with Jay-Z is closely intertwined, I don't think "politics" and "net worth" would integrate well into the quite long Career sections, especially as some users come to the page exactly for that sort of information, and it wouldn't be as easy to locate. Also, her family is quite notable, Tina and Mathew, although primarily known for their role in Beyoncé's career, are reasonably well known, and Solange is an alt-R&B artist who also has some success, so I feel like this section is relevant, but perhaps isn't presenting the right material. I would also note that this article isn't structured as "Life and career" or "Biography": it's just "Career", and those sections generally pertain to her musical/film ventures and don't discuss her life as a whole. What I could do is go through the Personal life sections over the next few days and see if I can weed out any redundancy, and see what you thought after that? Regards, —JennKR | 10:39, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Jen. There's a lot of notable and relevant information here. Some information could be easily relocated, but others could not which would either leading to their unnecessary removal or messy incorporation to other sections of the article. ThirdWard (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)