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Title change[edit]

the name of this page seems to spelled wrong. The name of India is Bharata. Only in Hindi and other north Indian languages is it Bharat. The official title should be Bharata. Can someone please change this?

N Not done and not likely to be done - Vivvt (Talk) 21:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

No mention of the Jury on this page[edit]

The Mahatma Gandhi Peace Prize page clearly mentions the Jury. This Award too should mention who the Jury comprises. Any clues?

Vajpayee is not dead[edit]

AB Vajpayee is not dead...... why is his name not in the living persons list.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourdeadin (talkcontribs) 20:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

inappropriate reason[edit]

"The original statutes of January 1954 did not make allowance for posthumous awards (and this perhaps explains why the decoration was never awarded to Mahatma Gandhi)"

this text about Gandhigi seems wrong. He is father of the nation. there is no need to explain why he has not got Bharat Ratna.

Ashishfa 13:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Meaning[edit]

Can we say what "Bharat Ratna" means, in English? I googled but couldn't find the answer. -- Singkong2005 05:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Bharat = local name for India (in most native languages), ratna = Jewel. So, it can be loosely translated as "The Jewel of India". --Ragib 05:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
...which is what the sentence at the end of the first paragraph says already. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:27, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Dr[edit]

Many people in the list have the prefix "Dr." added to them. I looked up a few of their articles but that didn't show clearly whether they have PhDs or not. Such honorifics are not common usage in Wikipedia articles. Also note that honorary doctorate holders cannot use the prefix "Dr." before their name. So, I hope someone will clear up the issue. Thanks. --Ragib 07:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

 Done - Vivvt (Talk) 21:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

B C Roy[edit]

B C Roy was not a scientist.He was a famous physician.Then as the Chief Minister of newly formed West Bengal,played a great role in reconstructing this state from the post-partition shambles.

 Done - Vivvt (Talk) 21:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Knights[edit]

"Unlike knights, holders of the Bharat Ratna carry no special title "

Does India have the equivalent of knighthoods? If so, then this link would more sensibly go to an article about Indian "knights". Yendor1958 08:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Controversies[edit]

It is better to create a new section 'Controversies' by extracting information on Subhas Chandra Bose and Abul Kalam Azad, from the History section. -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Vivvt (Talk) 21:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Ribbon[edit]

"The award is attached to a two-inch long ribbon, and was designed to be worn around the recipient's neck." Surely the ribbon must be two inches WIDE rather than long?Neitz (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Vivvt (Talk) 21:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

State[edit]

Is it important to have the column on 'Indian state of origin'? The Indian awardees belong to the entire nation and not a particular state. This will lead to unnecessary edit-wars over which state the person came from. Salilb (talk) 14:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The state is in the database of the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology, so there is no reason for a dispute. Hekerui (talk) 14:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes there is a confusion about the states. As of my knowledge, Bismillah Khan was born in Bihar but moved to Varanasi (U.P) at a very young age & then stayed there forever. Then why should his state be Bihar and not U.P ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldmps (talkcontribs) 15:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted the sourcing to the Bharat Ratna website for now, as some of the states did not even exist at the time of the award or during the lifetime of the individual. That's clearly a poor quality source (although it's the authority on the award!!!). Quite honestly, I don't see what value this column adds, so IMO, it's better to scrap it altogether. —SpacemanSpiff 06:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I restored that for now, since the previous version was only original research by Anons and Users and had several mistakes. One could leave notes on the states to state that the website assigns the modern states corresponding to where the award went at the time, but falsifying the information is no good. The restored version also has improved style.
And I agree, why use the states? These people had national influence and many of them lived in several states anyway. Hekerui (talk) 07:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the column, half the entries are plain incorrect even if the source says so. It just shows how much GoI can be trusted for factual accuracy. Until a better quality source is found, the column can stay out of the article. —SpacemanSpiff 17:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, I pondered doing that myself today :) Hekerui (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, what about adding the native name in their mothertongue as a compromise like in chinese articles?--Wangond (talk) 12:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

native script names create a whole new slew of problems :-). Trust me you dont want to go there (there too mother tongue vs adopted tongue clashes will happen). Its best we leave it out. Besides native language scripts are used only in the subject articles as a transcription/transliteration aid and nowhere else--Sodabottle (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

It looks like there is in fact dispute over the states so I agree with the above that it's best to leave them out. Hekerui (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request on 2 February 2012[edit]

The birth place of Rajiv Gandhi is Maharashtra not Uttar Pradesh

Dhirajgurjar (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 February 2012[edit]

"Please change Uttar Pradesh with Maharashtra because Rajiv Gandhi was born in Maharashtra (Bombay)

Dhirajgurjar (talk) 12:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: This is a duplicate request. Celestra (talk) 15:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Born State/Country[edit]

Doubt! Why do we have to mention in which state or country was the recepient born? How does that matter? Its mentioned on their respective pages. Should we delete that column? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 12:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The Ministry of Home Affairs list of awardees gives a state or foreign country that was the residence or origin of the person awarded, I changed the page to reflect that list. Sadly, there have been edit wars in the past over the belonging of people to certain states and this list was changed to state where people where born, which is not relevant to this list at all, but we should be good if we instead stick to the official list. Hekerui (talk) 13:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay! The Official list doesnt clearly say what it exactly is. But the enteries say that its their Residence States/Countries. The current title of column "State" also doesnt make sense when you write Pakistan, SA, US and UK in it. Also the article says that only Khan and Mandela were non-Indians to win it. We are just confusing it for readers when we write US & UK in front of Shankar and Sen. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
The "state" designation is the search criterion used by the ministry on their website so it was an obvious choice. You may underestimate the readers - they can understand that two Indians were awarded but several awardees have non-Indian places listed by looking at individual articles, which make clear where the person originated and lived. I think we either go with the official list or none - a custom-made list, done because we don't trust people to click on a link, would be ripe for endless argument. Hekerui (talk) 14:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
The readers would read more and work out the logic and understand it. The problems are fans who want to edit it and make their own state noted there. (One such example is just above us). So either we clearly define what we write or not write at all. I propose to remove that column completely. It anyways has no connection whatsoever with the article. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 14:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I see the potential for bickering you mention and the column does not impart significant information about the award or information that can't be found in the accompanying articles anyway so it's redundant. I removed it. The list doesn't read worse for it. Hekerui (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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Request to update 'Last awardee(s) '[edit]

Please change the 'Last awardee(s)' from 'Bhimsen Joshi' to 'Sachin Tendulkar' Anindya Bakshi (talk) 09:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Request to update 'Last awardee(s)' list[edit]

My last request was incomplete.

Please update the 'Last awardee(s)' list as C. N. R. Rao and Sachin Tendulkar Anindya Bakshi (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Rao & Tendulkar are not "awarded" yet. They are "declared to be awarded" but haven't received it yet. Hold till they actually receive it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Request to update 'Last awardee(s) '[edit]

Add Nobel laureate to descriptions of Amartya Sen, CV Raman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.160.5 (talkcontribs) 18:14, 23 November 2013‎ (UTC)

Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. The protection on this page expired earlier today. --Stfg (talk) 18:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Controversies and criticism sections - possible redundancy?[edit]

Do the "Controversies" and "Criticism" sections need to be distinct sections? It appears "Criticism" could be merged with "Controversies" Aumnamahashiva (talk) 17:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bharat Ratna/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AmritasyaPutra (talk · contribs) 14:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


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Review[edit]

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    (a) (major aspects) It covers the history, awardees, controversy and criticism. Pass Pass
    (b) (focused) Yes, it is focused. Pass Pass
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.
    Notes Result
    The tone is neutral. Pass Pass
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
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    Stable. No ongoing edit war or content dispute. Pass Pass
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Result Notes
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Discussion[edit]

I have started the review. It does not have any cleanup banners and does not contain any seemingly copyright infringements, I will continue with the six good article criteria. Thank you. --AmritasyaPutraT 14:51, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

@Vivvt: Sorry to keep you waiting. Can you cleanup "|archiveurl= requires |url= " for reference 3,4, and 19? --AmritasyaPutraT 04:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Done. Please check. - Vivvt (Talk) 05:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
@Vivvt: I am having second thoughts about "Broad in its coverage" criteria. Like the explanatory note e should be in the body of the article? Will provide more comments over this week, thank you! --AmritasyaPutraT 05:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I think 'nominatees' should be 'nominees'?
Done.
  • I see that some more images can be easily added to the article in the table showing the list of recepients, like [[File:Dr_Dhondo_Keshav_Karve.jpg]]. Are you planning to add them? --AmritasyaPutraT 14:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Done. - Vivvt (Talk) 17:52, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
@AmritasyaPutra: Thank you very much for the review. I appreciate your time. - Vivvt (Talk) 05:24, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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