Talk:Biblical and Quranic narratives
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- 1 Wikipedia policy
- 2 Google links to possible academic discussions/surveys
- 3 This article is biassed or partial
- 4 The Striking Resemblence
- 5 Title unclear & Introduction unsubstantiated
- 6 Shaitaan/Satan
- 7 Jesus/Isa Speaking from the Cradle
- 8 Miriam in the Qur'an
- 9 Verse/Aya
- 10 Request for comment
- 11 Not Neutral
- 12 Can we improve the format?
In view of the potential for sensitivity of religious content, it is particularly important for this article to adhere closely to Wikipedia policy. The following quotes are extracts only: the full policies can be found by following the links.
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Jheald 14:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Some bookmarks of possibly relevant books and papers found by Google. Mostly subscription-only, only abstracts freely available.
- Michael E. Pregill, The Hebrew Bible and the Quran: The Problem of the Jewish ‘Influence’ on Islam
- Review of "Islam, Judaism, and Christianity: Theological and Historical Affiliations" by Heribert Busse, tr. Allison Brown
- John C. Reeves, Bible and Quran: Essays in Scriptural Intertextuality
- Camilla Adlang, Muslim Writers on Judaism and the Hebrew Bible: From Ibn Rabban to Ibn Hazm
- Kenneth Cragg, various.
- Brannon M. Wheeler, Prophets in the Quran: An Introduction to the Quran and Muslim Exegesis
- http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Sources/ and linked resources, incl. Geiger and Tisdall (anti-Islamic site)
- http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Bibindex.html (Muslim rebuttal)
...both including many citations and links.
This article is biassed or partial
This article mentions that the Quran has anachronisms. Also the burden of proof is that on the book that came later. Since there is no proof of the statements in the Quran being anachronisms. This article is biased against the Quran by claiming something without proof. Muslims believe the Quran says it is from God and also more importantly the Quran says it is directly from God. So any article claiming something else is totally biased because the proof that it is not from God also lands directly on the writers of the article. The article writers believe they can place their biased beliefs of no God being existent over the beliefs of others who believe in a single God which is the creator and the master of the day of judgement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
This article is biassed or partial if it dos not have an article also from differenceses between Holy Bible and Holy Qur'an. If we leave this matter and do nothing, then this article is saying that Islam and Chritianity have same source in deepen meening it's meen that we have same God. Here are some links to help someone to get started:
- The Difference between the Bible and the Qur'an
- Differences between the Bible and the Qur'an
- Why do the Bible and the Qur'an not agree?
- Differences between the Noble Quran and Bible only prove Islam's Truthfulness and Divinity
- The Difference Between the Bible and the Qur'an
- The difference between Bible and Quran
The Striking Resemblence
Most of the times, events and incidents in the Quran and the Bible resemble although the details. It may be strongly considered that because Bible is ancient than Quran, hence it contains an account of the events of the relevant times in more detail while the Quran offers a hint towards the relevant event (as details have already been revealed in the Bible).
Another aspect may be the purpose of the revelation of Quran and the Bible where by the as per the Islamic prespective, the Quran is supposed to be a guidance till the end of the world as no new prophet will be send be God, while the Bible was for the time in between the revelation of the Bible and the Quran. Quranic content contains details of social behaviour, scientific knowledge, Islamic laws and rules and issues that may be confronted by a human being during the course of his life (just like a manual for the human beings) while also summarizing the accounts of the previous prophets like Jesus, Moses, Issac, Ishmail, Abraham, Lot, Solomon, Noah, Adam and many others which are not mentioned here.
While Quranic content broadly defines the general requirements, is mostly supported by the Hadith giving much more details of the account of the events to make them more understandable for the Muslims and humanity as a whole. The accounts between the Quran and Bible may vary due to the non-availability of the orignial scripture while the Quran is still available in its true scripture.
A Muslims belief is not complete until and unless he
does not acknowledge the prophets before Muhammad (and that includes Jesus, Moses, Issac and Abraham) to be the true messengers of God (prophets) and accepts that the revelations (torah, Injeel, Zabur, and other scriptures) sent to the prophets were true (though time has altered the true context of the actually revealed scriptures).
Because Muslims (followers of Muhammad and practioners of Islam) believe in the same true one God as preached by Jesus, Moses and Abrahim (and other prophets) so there cannot be any contradictions in the revelations of God from time to time (as God cannot contradict Him self). This is also the reason that Muslims are instructed by the prophet Muhammad to honour and respect the prophets and teachings of the prophets before Him as they all represent the same God and not different Gods.
Contradictions between Quran and Bible or other scriptures may be attributed to the human factor over the centuries whereby addition/ deletion of content to the scriptures before Quran may have been exercised with or without the intention of Vandilism.
Title unclear & Introduction unsubstantiated
This article should be split into 2:
"The what" One article dealing with a textual comparison of the similarities & differences.
"The how & why" One article dealing with the debate about structuralist/traditional/muslim/scholarly/christian beliefs about what the similarities & differences mean.
In its current form the tone of language in the Introduction is too misleading for the rest of the article. Perhaps this is because there's only 2 reference citations for the whole introduction, which tries to summarise the whole debate on the 'how & why' of the textual similarities.
- This article's primary focus is the "what".
- We already have articles for the "how" and "why", namely History of the Qur'an and tahrif, which is where we consider those questions in depth.
- The intro here is not to duplicate those articles, merely to put the "what" into some sort of context, particularly its context in orthodox Islam, which is where the Quran as text has its most primary significance. Jheald (talk) 17:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
They are the one and the same being from an Islamic viewpoint, so the Bible and the Quran are in agreement on this point. There is therefore no need for this to be mentioned, as Shaitaan is simply the Arabic name for Satan. Furthermore, the serpent being Satan is mentioned twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Jesus/Isa Speaking from the Cradle
I can't speak for the Q'ran but the canonical Bible books do not describe Jesus as speaking from the cradle. It might be in some later Christian apocrypha, but it's not in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Suggest you remove this from the list of common items between the two traditions. Rob Burbidge (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- Two particular references to this can be found in Surat Maryam (19:29-33) Jesus speaks to people right after being born and identifies himself as a prophet of God. Whatever the original genesis of this post, Jesus speaking from the cradle is most definitely a Quranic reference. Michael Sheflin (talk) 02:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Miriam in the Qur'an
Maryam is Jesus's mother, to whom a Surah is devoted. However, the section on Moses appears not to distinguish between the Miriam mentioned in the Bible, and this absence in the Quran.
Additionally, in the Quran, Samiri leads the creation of the golden claf (not Aaron - who either directs or allows this in the Biblical account). This article simply restates that Haroun, Aaron, is a prophet - nevertheless it does this at inappropriate points because it does not discuss the character-distinction in the Golden Calf story.
The analysis of differences is topical owing to the improper recounting of the Islamic version. This is highly inappropriate with regard to the accurate portrayal of a major religion. I realize it is a minor point, but it may also be a microcosm.
- Ok... also, in that there is a section delineating this difference (apparently without regard to the rest of the article), it dates the existence of both literary characters/real people. However, knowing what little I do about the appallingly polemical state of Biblical Archaeology, I wonder if Miriam's birth (apparently c. 1450 BC) should be cited in that I kind of always though she lived in some other time period that I don't care to elaborate on (or cite). I suppose also, Mary mother of Jesus's birth-date is more easily inferred. Nevertheless, one would think that in an article like this facts should carry weight - whereas this appears to be a hastily set up article. Since nobody will reply to my posts, I assume that people are taking this information at face value. I should point out that the genesis of my concern for this article is in a friend talking with me about that conflagration of "Mary's." Whereas that conflagration does not exist in the Qur'an (i.e. I am Michael... I am a person and not the angel Michael or any of the saints Michael), it appears to exist largely on Wikipedia. In that I have an interest in a factual portrayal of Islam, I wonder if anyone else cares... ? Michael Sheflin (talk) 06:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
This article refers to "books" of the Qur'an as Suras, but does not refer to the "verses" as Ayas. Wikipedia should probably be consistent with this nomenclature on all pages dealing with the Qur'an. Unless there's a good reason the erroneous "verse" is being used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 05:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Request for comment
|Proposal for removing prefixes "Islamic views on xyz"|
|I have started a request move to remove the prefixes Attached with the Prophets in Islam to there Names as in Islam. Like Islamic views on Abraham → Ibrahim as it becomes difficult to search the topic. Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Page Thanks. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)|
Can we improve the format?
Hi. I am thinking if we can format this article such that there are two columns side by side and in one of them we can give the biblical narrative and in the other the quranic. and following each topic should be a subheading of differences between the two narratives(which although is present in some topics but not in all). Also, IMO, more importance should be given to the differences in narratives. No? I mean they should be more detailed. What do u say? Sohebbasharat (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)