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Feminism as "female emancipation"[edit]

In response to HiLo48's comment in the 09:19 16 June 2013 reversion, I argue that this is nonsense considering that "emancipation of women", as it is currently linked, redirects to "feminism". There is no reason to call this by anything other than what it is. Furthermore "emancipation", a word usually associated with (and only really necessary when referring to) the freeing of slaves is clearly loaded when compared to "feminism", which refers to a sociopolitical movement for which there is no other term. As to whether "emancipation" is "a more accurate description of what was happening in those times", the New Woman, mentioned in the section as an example of the bicycle's influence, is described in the first sentence of its article as "a feminist ideal". The whole section as it stands talks constantly about feminism while refusing to actually use the term. I will therefore return my edit if not refuted. Birdman-Toronto (talk) 11:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I'm older than you. Maybe I've just read and heard a lot more about the suffragette movement. But emancipation was definitely a word used by them in those times. (Here is a page that demonstrates the link.) Nothing to do with slaves. (Unless those women felt like slaves.) The word feminism only became popular from around 1970 onwards, so it wouldn't have been used by early female cyclists. So, there's the background to my comment. I know it makes sense. But I won't fight over it. HiLo48 (talk) 11:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it was emancipation. Calling it an -ism implies that whether you think women were empowered by bicycles or not depends on your ideology.

On the most literal level, bicycles emancipated women from dependence on men for mobility. They were no longer home-bound, confined to a local area. On a more figurative and symbolic level, bicycles changed acceptable women's clothing styles to less constricting forms, and learning to ride represented a new level of empowerment. Of course almost everyone who took up bicycling in this period emphasized that it gave them freedom -- and gaining freedom is emancipation. The same is said by many sources to describe what happened when they learned to cycle as children -- the bicycle represented freedom, i.e. emancipation.

Calling it feminism implies that you have to be a feminist to believe in the bicycle's effect on women's lives. You don't have to be an adherent to feminist ideology to observe the undeniable facts that more women were able to leave their homes, go farther and faster from A to B, and generally expand their personal spheres. The fact that women wore bloomers was true whether you believed in feminism or not. Women were emancipated by bicycles, and if you were a feminist you thought that was a good thing, and if you were not a feminist, perhaps you were chagrined.

Emanicpation is used in many contexts, as much with women's rights as with slavery, and also to refer to teen children gaining independence from their parents. In fact, the OED says that the origin of the word is "Roman Law. The action or process of setting children free from the patria potestas." Besides freedom from slavery, the word is also defined as "Setting free, delivering from intellectual, moral, or spiritual fetters." That covers a lot of ground. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

That the bicycle has a Unicode icon is noteworthy?[edit]

Ivanvector (talk · contribs) said "That the bicycle has a Unicode icon is noteworthy".

I can see how if you were a specialist in document creation, web design or Unicode technology you would want to know that the bike has a unicdode symbol, but that is not what "noteworthy" means in terms of Wikipedia content. Does this mean that Door or Rocket or Shower also need a ==Unicode== section added to tell us the hex code to produce these symbols? Isn't it sufficient to locate this information in List of Unicode characters, Template:Unicode chart Transport and Map Symbols, and other appropriate reference articles?

Can we see any examples of mainstream sources who tell us that it's notable I'm willing to believe it's notable that there's a Unicode bike symbol, provided I can see some evidence of this notability. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

In the context of an article on bicycles, the fact that there is a unicode character to represent them is trivia at best. While it may be worth including a sentence somewhere to mention that that a unicode character exists (the last sentence of the In daily life section looks like a suitable place), giving it a separate section is undue weight. WaggersTALK 10:53, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
You're right, it's probably not notable, certainly not enough to warrant its own section, and it certainly qualifies as trivia. I misused "noteworthy" when really what I meant was "neat", but that's a matter of my own opinion. Since I'm really just passing through here, I'll leave it to you folks to decide whether to include this somewhere more appropriate in the article or just delete it outright. And thanks for the discussion! Ivanvector (talk) 20:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014[edit]

Bicycles were introduced in the 19th century by a European named Baron von Drais. As of 2014, the number of bicycles have gradually grown 1.5% from its suggested one billion, in 2003. This is twice as many automobiles in the world. Bicycles are the principal means of transportation in many regions. Bicycles provide a popular form of recreation, and have been adapted for the use children, general fitness, military, police, courier services, and racing events. Bicycles carry humans threw Cities, States and Countries by their own power. Irmcc2380 (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Group of bicycles of various types and sizes image[edit]

The second image in the lead is good in principle, in that it attempts to show a variety of different bicycles. But in spite of the caption, "Group of bicycles of various types and sizes", I see maybe two types of bicycles, at most, and only one basic size. There's no children's bikes, no 20" BMX race or stunt bikes, no mountain bikes, no road bikes, no race bikes or track bikes, no Dutch bikes or cargo bikes, no fixies, no 29ers, no recumbents, and no trikes. All of them are steel framed (no aluminum, no crabon), city cruisers. The only variation is some are men's and some are women's. So a much better image of this kind ought to be possible, one that really does have at least 5 if not 10 distinct types and sizes of bicycles. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:30, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Step-through frames[edit]

"Because of its persistent image as a "women's" bicycle, step-through frames are not common for larger frames."

That´s complete and utter bullshit, written probably by someone from a country where cycling is regarded solely as sports activity. Bicycles for daily use are very often of this type, and produced and sold today in great numbers. Bicycles for older people, the majority of E-Bikes, rental bikes (the ones you order via mobile and can pick up and leave at any corner in the city), cycles for anyone who does not want a racer, for old-fashioned women, etc. etc. --129.13.72.198 (talk) 16:19, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Find a source, otherwise your observations are no better than the current text, fix the article, and then you can stop complaining about it. -AndrewDressel (talk) 16:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Review (Bicycle Friss).pdf

Hi all. As anticipated, some weeks ago Dr.Evan Friss (James Madison University) agreed to review this article within the scope of the project linked above. You can find his notes in the PDF I just uploaded to Commons. We'd like to thank Dr. Friss for his work and for his helpful notes. We invite everybody to feel free to reuse the review to improve the article and/or to comment it here. Best, --Elitre (WPS) (talk) 17:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)