Talk:Biscari massacre

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Forthcoming Contributions[edit]

As I have done a great deal of research into this particular topic, I will attempt to add to the content of this article in the following months. My goal is to provide an objective and detailed account of the two massacres, backed by extensive and verifiable primary resources. To that end, any discussion or suggestions concerning my additions is both welcome and encouraged. Justin M. Harris (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I happened to come across this entry and agreed that it needed to be fleshed out in some places. Not seeing any changes or additions by Mr. Harris since 7 February 2011, I attempted to add what I could. I did remove a note in the "West Incident" section asking for more detail, as I think my additions met that request; I did not remove a similar note in other sections. If I am in error, or if Mr. Harris (or others) wish to add more, I am sure they will do so. D.A.Timm (talk) 21:26, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Added: Mr. Harris mentions using primary sources. If he (or any other reader) has ready access to the actual records of trial of West and Compton and is willing to go to the trouble, they can improve the footnotes in places where I cited Borch's excellent article. Mr. Borch is the Regimental Historian and Archivist for the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's Corps, and undoubtedly used those primary sources. His article is well worth reading from a legal standpoint, tracing as it does the development of the Law of Armed Conflict as it applies to such a situation. It can be found on-line at http://www.readperiodicals.com/201303/3036177751.html#b.

It might also be worth adding this link to the main Wikipedia Article; if someone knows how to accomplish that, please feel free. D.A.Timm (talk) 08:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Serious accusation needs a verifiable cite[edit]

While I assume that prior editors added this material believing it to be true, the lack of inline citations for such a serious accusation that Patton covered up a massacre is something that requires deletion. This is a case where verifiability is more important than to observe good faith. I will visit the library and see if this is in the published record. Any editor can do likewise. Canicattì massacre is a similar article. Sources are likely to refer to both massacres. patsw (talk) 02:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Atkinson, Rick (2007). The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944 (The Liberation Trilogy). New York: Henry Holt and Co. p. 119. ISBN 0805062890.  (retained in the article as inline)
  • Bartolone, Giovanni (2005). Le altre stragi. Le stragi alleate e tedesche nella Sicilia del 1943-1944. Bagheria : Tipografia Aiello & Provenzano. 
  • Botting, Douglas; Ian Sayer (1989). Hitler's Last General: The Case against Wilhelm Mohnke. London: Bantam Books. pp. 354–359. ISBN 0593017099. 
  • Weingartner, James (November 1989). "Massacre at Biscari: Patton and An American War Crime". The Historian LII (1): pp. 24–39. 

I fully agree that the entry must be fair. Both West and Compton did testify that Patton's speech was taken by them as an order and their actions were in compliance with that order. I don't think that (or the fact that he was the alleged source of the order) can be omitted, but I agree that the fact that he said he did not intend it as such, nor believe that any reasonable interpretation would suggest such a thing, and that the War Department cleared him of wrongdoing needed to be added as well.

I guess it's too bad we don't have an actual transcript of the speech, just impressions.

I hope I've been fair to the truth from both sides, but if not, I stand to be corrected.D.A.Timm (talk) 21:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Treatment of Snipers[edit]

Patton mentions certifying that the men executed were snipers, apparently referring to a practice of treating snipers differently. An explanation of this would be helpful.Bill (talk) 03:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)