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to me it seems odd that you would write 'many .. farmers have settled there blah balh blah'.

today it is a tourist attraction with many national parks.

which indians lived there? who found it sacred and why?

no links to the history of gold or silver?

It's incredible that some one would write that the black hills were "purchased". they were stolen fair and square like most all of the US.

They were stolen fair and square at least twice. The Lakota stole them from the Arikara in the Nineteenth Century and then the U.S. stole them from the Lakota. I don't know why the Lakota found them sacred but it isn't such a huge stretch to think that they simply appreciated the wooded, hilly "island" in the bleakness of the plains. It isn't as if they were originally from the plains themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.173.135 (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Why dont you bring in Adam and Eve too. --HumusTheCowboy (talk) 07:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Accusatory tone, without references[edit]

"The region is considered sacred by the Lakota Native Americans, although sceptics point out that they only discovered the Hills in 1765, barely 100 years before they used the Black Hills' "sacredness" as grounds for "deserving" the gold-rich territory in treaties with the U.S. government." This text seems unnecessarily inflammatory; the quote marks, at the very least, around some of the words should be removed. They inject an unwelcome accusatory tone into the article that seems unprofessional. Also, this contention needs to be referenced. --ebedgert

Took it out of intro as unsourced and poorly worded. The info is included in the history section. Vsmith 22:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

"Some consider this ad hoc claim of spiritual status a dubious pretension to keep the gold-rich territory since the Sioux tribe had only discovered the Black Hills about 100 years earlier (1765) and that they themselves took the land by force from its previous residents (the Cheyenne tribe) in 1776." "Some consider" is a weasel phrase. Suggest removing or providing a source --- JBPM, 12:25 Central Time, February 26, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.202.31 (talk) 18:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


I just wonder when the Cheyenne will sue the Lakota to get the Black Hills back from them? It was probably sacred to them before the Lakota took it from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.51.175 (talk) 11:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Courts of the US republic deal with actions that deal with the US republic. The Lakota won their case fair and square --HumusTheCowboy (talk) 07:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Tallest peaks?[edit]

I think the following claim in the introduction is wrong:

The Black Hills are home to the tallest peaks between the Rocky Mountains and the Alps in Europe (not counting undersea mountains).

The highest point in the Black Hills, Harney Peak is 2,207 m., but in Greenland (which surely lies between the Rocky Mountains and the Alps) there are seven mountains higher than that (see List_of_mountains_in_Greenland). Dougg 23:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This claim has come back, with a citation, but it's still ridiculous, so I've removed it again. In addition to Greenland, there are higher peaks in France, Spain, Portugal (specifically the Azores), the Dominican Republic and Haiti.

Okay, that's been changed to...

The Black Hills are home to the tallest peaks of continental North America West of the Rockies.

...but aren't the Black Hills east of the Rockies? I'd make the change but not being very familiar with USA geography (physical or political) I'd like someone else to verify it. Dougg 00:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This claim exists throughout Black Hills lore. I believe I've seen it on official signage but without photos, I looked it up in a book I have on South Dakota. Griffith, T.D. (1994). South Dakota. Compass American Guides. p. 186. ISBN 187886726-1.  includes this claim in its section on the Black Hills. Then I found the photo on this page (http://www4.uwsp.edu/geo/projects/geoweb/participants/dutch/vtrips/harneypk.htm) and the author of the page makes the same caveat: it's not true if you consider Canada and Greenland. So perhaps it's worth a mention on Wikipedia because of its prominence in Black Hills mythology but with the corrections and caveats here: a statement of myth, not fact. Runner1928 (talk) 23:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, interesting. As that webpage notes, it also depends what exactly "between" means. Define it strictly enough and some claim along these lines may actually be true, but rather misleading. I suspect if there is a case for mentioning that claim (and with appropriate caveats there may be), it's probably better on the Harney Peak page than here Armouredduck (talk) 23:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
The Harney Peak page currently makes only the claim of being the tallest in the United States east of the Rockies. Assuming we all agree that's true, I think this is the only claim that should be repeated in Black Hills; as suggested by others, the apocryphal or misleading (but possibly notable) claims can be treated, or not, at Harney Peak. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I like the 'highest in the United States east of the Rockies' as well. AlexiusHoratius 23:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Me too. Thanks, all! I also think that the Harney Peak page can contain this information about the Alp claim, if notable. Runner1928 (talk) 00:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Geology[edit]

I am changing the section 'The Black Hills also has a 'skirt' of gravel covering it in areas called erosional terraces. These are conglomerate beds formed as the waterways cut down into the uplifting hills and represent the former river beds.' so it does not refer to it as a conglomerate bed. It is just gravel and not a conglomerate because it is not cemented. BHrock 04:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

typos, et cetera[edit]

the page says

The Black Hills also made an attempt at succession from the United States in the book World War Z

I haven't read World War Z but I presume that succession should be secession in the passage above. Funkyj 08:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Article Lead[edit]

It seems to me that the lead of this article is merely a brief history of the Black Hills and not a summary of the entire article. I think that most of this lead should be condensed into a History section and a new lead written. Are there any comments concerning this? Lmielke359 18:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Go for it.Spiesr 16:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Barring no objections I created a history section out of the former lead and with the remaining content, expanded the lead. The new lead neads to be cleaned up and wikilinked more.

Moved from main page[edit]

Comment from Special:Contributions/75.71.44.4 moved here by CosmicPenguin (Talk) 01:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC). In reference to the statement about the Black Hills being the tallest east of the Rockies:

(Not sure, but Sierra Grande is 8720 feet in northeastern New Mexico and is well east of the Rockies and near the same longitude.)

He is talking about Sierra Grande.


I am suprised to see that the article completely ignores the 500 plus Lakota men, woman, and children along with military personnel of the United States. It does not display adequate history of the former Lakota owners and their economic and political soverignty up until the mid 19th century. If any improvements could be made, a link to Wounded Knee Massacre would be appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.200.61 (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What's in a name?[edit]

Dave Barry offers, "[T]he Black Hills ... get their name from the fact that they are brown, gray, and green." Why, then, do we call them the "Black Hills"? Are the names in other languages literally "black hills" or "black mountains", or are the names different? -- ke4roh (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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