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Hands face up[edit]

"Wave hand horizontally (face up)" is clearly referring to the body part, and not a 'hand' of cards. The first part of the line says "slide cards under chips (handheld)", this is what you do when you have a 'hand' of cards. One's hands do not have faces, therefore i am changing it from 'face up' to 'palm up'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:36, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

There is no palm-up hand gesture in blackjack. [1]. Handheld signals[2] Rklawton (talk) 04:10, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Feedback for you reverting[edit]

@Objective3000, would you please explain the need to "Rvt three good faith edits by U.S. centric, English errors, some inaccuracies. The original text was better."

What part of the diction was U.S. centric? What were the English errors? What were the inaccuracies? What consensus determined that "The original text was better"? I would appreciate your feedback that addresses the above. (talk) 05:08, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution. But, there were some problems:
  • The original text describes international standards of multiple players betting in one box, and then provides the exception in U.S. casinos. Your rewrite reverses this, stating that playing in multiple boxes is unusual. That is, it is U.S. centric.
  • The original text states that in the U.S. many casinos only allow someone to play two or three spots. You changed this to an absolute. Actually, even the original text is too strong. But, there is no absolute rule in most casinos.
  • Your statement that the only bet changes are DD and split. This is too strong. Insurance, side bets, surrender, and other variations exist.
  • You repeated the dealing procedure in two paragraphs.
  • In the second explanation, you only allowed for face-up dealing.
  • Starter is not a common term.
  • The ref you added for hole-carding is incorrect. Hole-carding is a separate subject relating to players gaining info about a face-down hole-card.
  • You state that in all cases a dealer will have one card up and one down and then wait for a new paragraph to contradict this for European casinos. This is a U.S. rule and is very rare outside the U.S. The exception belongs in the same paragraph, as it was in the original text.
  • The hole-card is only typically considered a ten by very poor players.
Regards, Objective3000 (talk) 13:09, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree. Zargulon (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


An IP just capitalized all uses of twenty-one and suggested the same for Blackjack. This must have been discussed before; but I can't find it. Personally, I cap Blackjack. But, I don't believe this is correct. As far as I can see, games are not capitalized unless trademarked. For example, football is not capped. The Wiki style guide doesn't appear to call for caps for names of games.Objective3000 (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

ties pay the dealer[edit]

Rather than calling this rule "catastrophic to the player," the article should give the house odds under this condition. Dynzmoar (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

You have a point. But, as unencyclopedic as it may sound, catastrophic is a fair description.:) You are welcome to change it. But, I'm fairly sure this has been discussed here in the past.Objective3000 (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Blackjack tournaments[edit]

Mathematicalist keeps adding the following unsourced claim to this section...

The underlying purpose of the house in sponsoring blackjack tournaments is to infuse reckless non-mathematical playing styles into the heads of blackjack enthusiasts who fancy themselves knowledgeable in the ways of blackjack. Many experts advise serious blackjack players against participating in blackjack tournaments because of the subtle but highly negative impact that flows from participation.

Can this claim be reliably sourced, or will it have to go? Sideways713 (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

It's nonsense.Objective3000 (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)