Talk:Blackwater fire of 1937

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Ten Standard Firefighting Orders[edit]

This section should be corrected to show that the FIREORDERS order was changed in 2002 as there were problems with it; the original was designed to be implemented in order as a fire fighter engaged a fire, then, according to later works, they worked in reverse order when disengaging from the fight. I hesitate to edit as the article is being heavily edited right now. Also, my article on the orders could stand some help from experienced editors. I am done for the day, so go for it! --AfadsBad (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

1933 Griffith Park Fire[edit]

"The Blackwater fire killed the most wildland firefighters in the U.S. since the Great Fire of 1910."

But the source states that the 1933 Griffith Park Fire killed 29 firefighters. 149.241.166.179 (talk) 02:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I believe that the main difference is that at Griffith Park, the deaths were from those that were forced to fight the fire but had zero experience doing so and they were led by non professionals...so while they were fighting it, they were not wildland firefighters. Yes, the CCC members at Blackwater weren't very experienced either, but wildland firefighting was a collateral duty for them and they were led by professionals.--MONGO 03:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
That fact should probably appear in the article all the same; I came here with the same query, so there are probably plenty of other readers seeing this as an inconsistency. Neelix (talk) 04:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Agree, I looked at the Yarnell Hill Fire article, and it says that "This event resulted in the highest wildland firefighter death toll in the United States since the 1933 Griffith Park Fire killed 29 firefighters, and the highest death toll from any U.S. wildfire since the 1991 East Bay Hills fire killed 25 people." So the numbers don't tally across articles. Greenman (talk) 11:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Working on tweaking it to make it easier to understand the differences. Reference #20 is from the federal government which states that more wildland firefighters died at Blackwater than at any fire since the one in 1910. The reference listed above which is also used in the article is an incomplete list and doesn't yet have the Yarnell info posted...oddly.--MONGO 12:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I just came to the talk page after reading it myself, the issue and definition here is not consistant. Someone changed it further up, but the text is also unspecific and hinges on the application of "professional" while the text later reads "It killed more professional wildland firefighters in the U.S. than any other in the 103 years between the Great Fire of 1910 and the Yarnell Hill Fire in 2013." emphasis mine. Thank you for the effort to fix this. 209.255.230.32 (talk) 13:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
    Since the Yarnell Hill fire is so recent, we mostly have news sources to reference as the information is not yet well documented. Yarnell Hill was actually fought by state entities on non federal land....I'm thinking it might be best to just word the article as one of the deadliest wildfires in U.S. history and leave it at that.--MONGO 14:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Given the issue with the Griffith Park fire it is probably for the best to leave it unspecificed. Debating the finer points of "firemen verus professional firemen" and so on are really pushing a conclusion that is more of a invention of Wikipedia would be bad. 209.255.230.32 (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)