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i doubt the army actually used the word manure. what happened to 'wikipedia is not censored'? which brings to mind a story: harry truman was speaking to a ladies garden group and used the word manure on several occasions. afterwards, one of the members came up to bess and said 'mrs. truman you really should get the president to refer to it as fertilizer'. to which bess replied 'madam, it has taken me 40 years to get the president to call it manure'.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any reference connecting the three-pronged gadget to the word "blivet". In fact, there seem to be no references for any definition presented in the article. One is tempted to think of the whole article as a blivet, in the (claimed but unreferenced) military sense. Those with knowledge of the subject should fix all this. --Lou Sander (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
It is/was actually a form of Xerox lore and/or oral lore among military and engineering subcultures (but apparently dating to back before the widespread use of copying machines), so it's not surprising if it's not received much academic attention. However, I would have no objection to renaming this article to "Poiuyt" and focusing exclusively on the impossible figure drawing... AnonMoos (talk) 16:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
That's a good idea. It would be a shame to lose all the other blivet stuff, though. I learned that a blivet was "ten pounds of s. in a five pound bag", but I never saw it documented anywhere. Surely some documentation of "blivet" exists somewhere. I'm thinking we should wait around until somebody finds some of it, then redo the article as appropriate. Maybe there's something somewhere that connects the poiuyt to the word blivet. Lou Sander (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't personally know that the impossible figure drawing has been referred to as a "blivet", nor do I have any great skepticism about it. However, it's currently a problem that this article is actually two articles very loosely stapled together -- one on the impossible figure drawing, and another on the general military/engineeering/other slang word "blivet". I think it would be best for the article to be split, whether or not a source for referring to the impossible figure as a "blivet" can be found... AnonMoos (talk) 02:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Since a lot of the article doesn't have many cited resources, we really need to add some cited resources to make sure most of the information on this article is correct and accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enoch exe inc (talk • contribs) 14:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved, a rationle move is difficult without sources in the article. Fix the article. Mike Cline (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Blivet → Devil's pitchfork – As per the discussion on talk page, Blivet was a placeholder name, that got associated with this object. I propose Renaming the first half of this article to a more scientific name befitting this mathematical object and leaving the less professional second half here, since the second half is only about the name itself, for future wikipedians to decide the fate of. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: I am not sure if I am supposed to do something now that consensus has failed to be reached after so much time. Too bad the name proved unpopular. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
child's drawing of the devil with his pitchfork
Oppose this is not the common usage for the Devil's pitchfork, a commonly used imagery in legend and religious art. -- 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Support a split; Oppose proposed split name. It would be good to split out the impossible figure (which has several other names) from the military slang meaning of the word "blivet". However, the impossible figure is more commonly known as the "devil's fork" than as the "devil's pitchfork". Anyway, if the article is to be split, the optical illusion or impossible figure should actually go under the name of Poiuyt (which is already the name of the Italian Wikipedia article)... AnonMoos (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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