Talk:Bloody Sunday (1972)
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Notable "Cheifly" because of the Paras did the shooting?
Last line of intro states:
"Bloody Sunday remains among the most significant events in the Troubles of Northern Ireland, chiefly because those who died were shot by the British army rather than paramilitaries, in full view of the public and the press."
According to most sources, William McKinney was not shot while stooping over the body of Gerald McKinney; he was shot at the same time as Quinn, Mahon and Wray in Glenfada Park prior to Gerald McKinney. Gerald McKinney and Gerald Donaghey were both shot in the same location afterwards with some sources stating the shot which hit Donaghey in the abdomen travelled through Gerry McKinney's body. Eamonn McCann's book clearly states William McKinney was shot while fleeing through Glenfada Park and before Gerry McKinney was shot in the same location, as do several online sources. One can be found here (check the text and the imagery indicating positions of wounded and fatalities). One more here.
I was considering adding the above references, plus McCann's book, to an adjustment to the circumstances surrounding William McKinney's death, but thought it more appropriate to place this info. on the talk page 1st.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
IRA funding of NICRA
"The NICRA were secretly sponsored by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in the hope that there would be a campaign of civil disturbance which would unseat the unionist government in Belfast."
The source is well-respected and not in question, but this phrasing could do with some clarification. Does the source specify the degree of funding NICRA received from the IRA? Were they wholly funded by the IRA or only partly? If partly, what proportion of their funding came from IRA sources?
The current phrasing is ambiguous but implies that NICRA were wholly funded by the IRA. I'd like this clarified from the source, or other sources cited to clarify this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Response to unconstructive edits by 22.214.171.124
Your edits to the article as in most articles you edit is unconstructive and silly. The first paragraph of the lede already states that NICRA organised the protest march and here is the key wording: "organised", which implies they organised it but that others could join it. Your edit which states "by the" implies it was NICRA and only NICRA that was at this march. If you want to be specific about who organised it in the very first sentence then you have to be even handed and state that the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, formed the bulk of the army there that day too. The way the opening paragraph is suffices in terms of succinctness of getting the essential information displayed. Your edit adds in needless repetition.
Secondly your removal of the reason for the march citing "NICRA had lots of aims beside the end of internment" is silly because, whilst obviously NICRA had more aims that just that, this specific march as the body of the article states, was about internment, hence the large "Background" section dedicated to the issue of internment.
Also you are well aware of WP:BRD.