Talk:Bob Wills/Archive 1
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- 1 Django Reinhardt
- 2 Guitarist??
- 3 Yes, during the war
- 4 An appropriate infobox needs to be added to this article...
- 5 Minstrel Category?
- 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Bob Wills.jpg
- 7 "King of Western Swing"
- 8 Sound file
- 9 Discography, Singles: "Maiden's Prayer" moved from 1935 to 1938, added "Wang Wang Blues" 1936, "Home In San Antone" 1943
Django Reinhardt was the biggest influence on Western Swing and Bon Wills
Interestingly enough, I HAVE found one or two bits in books about Western Swing that substaniate that Reinhart DID have SOME influence on one or two WS guitarists, although not specifically on Wills.Steve Pastor (talk) 22:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I dunno if I would classify Bob Wills as a guitarist in WikiProjectGuitarists, but he did hire and fire some of the best in the business. Oh, and yeah, he originated the phrase "Take it away, Leon!" which intro'ed some very adept steel guitar work by Leon Mc Auliffe. Whoa! Now there's a guitarist without a Wikipedia entry. Jim, K7JEB.
- Banner has been removed; thank you for calling my mistake to my attention and giving me the chance to correct it. Badbilltucker 13:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC),
- FWIW, Bob Wills played the fiddle. Jim, K7JEB
Yes, during the war
See January 16, 2006 edits. WWII offered many opportunities in defense related activities in the Los Angeles Basin. The migration that started in the 30s during the Dust Bowl and Depression continued. Wills moved there after getting out of the military in 1943 knowing that there were aready lots of his fans in the area. The war continued until 1945. If you need specific references, I can get them for you, but you should be able to find them in the links. Steve Pastor 15:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
An appropriate infobox needs to be added to this article...
The current infobox was added by the server when section headings were added. But, you know, Bob Wills was the kind of guy who just didn't fit the mold. Even now his music is lumped under the "country" umbrella, when most people who write about him write that his music was jazz and swing, and not country. But the jazz and swing people don't seem to know he exists. Maybe it's appropriate that his biobox doesn't fit the mold. Steve Pastor 22:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I notice that Genethedancingmachine added the category Blackface Minstrel Performers to the article in February. Now, I'll admit to not being the most erudite scholar of Bob Wills's career, but is there some kind of source to substantiate that association?Cool moe dee 345 15:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- "1929 Bob Wills and Edna move to Ft. Worth, have first child.
- Bob Wills works in “blackface” medicine show with guitarist.
- First recording, Brunswick, Bessie Smith tune"
- From Bob Wills web site 
- There may be more if you look around some more. Steve Pastor 15:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Bob Wills.jpg
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"King of Western Swing"
No one approaches Bob Wills' importance or popularity in Western swing, but this was never a title for Wills during his lifetime. It belonged only to Spade Cooley, and, considering Wills and his unenthusiastic relationship with Cooley, I don't believe he would have liked being tied to it. Wills was, and considered himself so, his own man. I left it in the article since so many of Wills' fans—perhaps unfamiliar with the history between Wills and Cooley—insist on using it, but I'm not certain it belongs in the introduction. Maybe we need a ==Fan activity== section toward the end of the article. TestsPoint (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I note that that particluar phrase is not referenced. You may, of course delete it, or rephrase it somehow. Regarding Cooley and Wills, I don't really see how their relationship is that important. "Fan activity" section? What??Steve Pastor (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- It can't really be deleted or rephrased—it's used by so many fans, and by his daughter in the title of a book, I think. –Now, for the preaching– Wills was more than just the "King" or even the "Father" of Western swing—he was its guiding light. He wasn't the first Western string dance band to incorporate popular music into performances or even to improvise, but his 50,000 watt radio show airing out across the plains from Tulsa twice a week gave both those local and barnstorming bands direction and even popularity. The relationship between himself and Cooley makes it unlikely he would have appreciated being compared to Cooley. Not taking anything away from Cooley—he was one of the greatest Western swing artists and innovators—but I don't think Wills would like Cooley's title. TestsPoint (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I have added a file with Bob Wills band and Jimmy Rogers singing, however it says it was recorded in 1938 and Rogers died in 1933. Can anyone add any info here? Gandydancer (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi Gandydancer. Jimmy Rogers is the composer, not the vocalist. Tommy Duncan is the vocalist. By the way, while the 1972 public domain claim for sound recordings is a rather gray area, and probably wouldn't hold up in court in most states, I believe the composition itself is probably not public domain. Again, Rogers is the composer, and I don't know that his compositions have passed into public domain. Also it says this is dubbed from an LP. That means that particular transfer is copyrighted, so again it's not public domain, even if a dub from the original Vocalion 78rpm issue might be. (talk) 15:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. Aw yes, I see. Though it sure is Jimmy Roger's style, isn't it? I know someone that is quite knowledgeable about this sort of thing. I will ask her opinion, OK? Again, thanks for the quick response. Gandydancer (talk) 16:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Discography, Singles: "Maiden's Prayer" moved from 1935 to 1938, added "Wang Wang Blues" 1936, "Home In San Antone" 1943
I've been editing the "Maiden's Prayer" song article and learned that Vocalion 03924 (instrumental version of "Maiden's Prayer") wasn't released until 1938, although recorded 9/23/1935. Notice that the Vocalion catalog number is now in logical sequence. This does not affect the 1941 version with vocals by Tommy Duncan. For more details see Discussion at "Maiden's Prayer."
I added "Wang Wang Blues," which was the A-side of Vocalion 03173, recorded 9/24/1935, released 3/1936. (B-side was a cover of "I Can't Be Satisfied" by Blues legend Big Bill Broonzy, a tune which was apparently borrowed by Hank Williams for the songs "Move It On Over" and "Mind Your Own Business," although no credit was given to Broonzy or Wills.)
I also added "Home In San Antone," which was the A-side of Okeh 6710, recorded 7/14/1942, released 11/1943. (It was featured in the 1945 film Lawless Empire, covered by Ray Price on his 1962 tribute album San Antonio Rose, and already listed at 1943 in country music.) Reference: Praguefrank's Country Music Discographies: Bob Wills – part II.
It would probably be a good idea to arrange the songs within each year in catalog number sequence (or else alphabetically), but I'm not in the mood. Preservationist957 (talk) 14:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)