Talk:Bobby Bowden

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Has now been created —Preceding unsigned comment added by UkrNole 485 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Paterno

The first paragraph of this article refers to Paterno, without saying who that might be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.20.2 (talk) 14:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Howard

Did he play football at Howard (Samford) too? If so it should be added to his infobox 24.178.191.116 (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Florida State

This section especially (but other sections as well) have several phrases and sentences that are unsourced or are written in a conversational style as opposed to a more factual treatment. "[E]njoyed by drunken college football fans" and "They believe they will eventually get back to the top" standout in this section. There are similar examples in other sections. "It is a great honor to receive such an astonishing award" in the following section would be a further example. Bobbyuggles (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Division title highlighted in blue

I understand they tied for it, but this is misleading. It leaves the impression that they qualified for the ACC title game, and they did not.

Also, "tied" does not clear this up, as you could tie and qualify for the game. So I think 1 (t) without the blue informs the reader without misleading him, so it shouldn't be blue. Theknightswhosay (talk) 03:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the above. When I saw that that I thought, "Wait a minute, they didn't play in the title game last year. They were tied for first, but they lost the tie breaker, hence they were not the division champion. The shading should be removed. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Coaching record

On what basis is Bobby Bowden said to be one victory behind Joe Paterno as an FBS coach? 31 of his victories came at Howard. Vidor (talk) 00:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Bowden is either 32 division-I victories behind Paterno, or both of them are many overall college football victories behind John Gagliardi (and others.) Too many of the media seem to be relying on the FSU sports information department's point of view. The coaching record section should point this misconception out instead of confirming it. SowelBlack (talk) 15:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)SowelBlack

• It's not "FSU sports information department's point of view," it's the NCAA's point of view. Check out the archives, we've had this discussion before. "According to the NCAA criteria for determining the winningest Division I-FBS (formerly Division I-A) coach, individuals qualify if they have coached at least ten seasons for a Division I-FBS school, and any victories against four-year colleges or universities count towards their total. Thus, Bowden's 31 victories coaching at Samford from 1959 to 1962 (then known as Howard College) count towards his total even though Samford is now in Division I-FCS (formerly Division I-AA). This is a longstanding NCAA policy, applying also to calculating coaching records in other sports. It has been defended by the NCAA because it would be hard to draw a clear-cut distinction given the number of schools that switch between Division I-A and I-AA."AriGold (talk)

notice it says AGAINST four-year colleges, such as the small warm-up games big schools tend to have week 1. It doesn't say AT; at least not the part you're posting [ak]

14-win penalty by NCAA

No offense to Bowden fans, but you can't have it both ways. If you're going to hide behind the NCAA rules that he can count wins when he was a coach of non-Division IA schools (Samford, Howard), then you have to face the NCAA ruling that 14 of his FSU wins were ruled to be taken away from his "win box". Either you abide by what the NCAA recognizes or you don't. Either way, the final count can't be more than 375. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.136.130 (talk) 04:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

As long as this penalty is under appeal, those 14 wins should be counted.Ryoung122 13:29, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Look at the source of this story:

The NCAA found no evidence that Bowden and other Florida State coaches played a role in the scandal or knew that cheating was occurring.

It says "The NCAA FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT BOWDEN...PLAYED A ROLE IN THE SCANDAL."

He coached those games, and Florida State won (or lost) them...they should count as part of his record.Ryoung122 13:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Whether the NCAA recognizes them or not, they were still wins. There needs to be an asterick or something.

The 22 wins as head coach of South GA College aren't included then 389 (375*) figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.199.71 (talk) 17:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)