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What about http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094593/

Unreferenced?[edit]

I'm a bit confused why someone decided it was necessary to tag this article as "unreferenced." Perhaps you could explain what in particular you feel needs referencing? This article already contains six footnotes and seventeen external links. Do you feel we need to cite a source for saying Freaky Friday or The Hot Chick contain a body swap scene? I respectfully beg to differ with you in that I think this article is already adequately referenced. Perhaps you could explain on this talk page what, specifically, contributors can do to fix this perceived deficiency. Thanks! 66.17.105.226 17:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Added a slew of in-article citations and cited six general references in a new section at the bottom. Removed the "unreferenced" tag. If you add "unreferenced" back to this article, please use the talk page and give us some specifics as to why you're tagging the article. Contributors: please cite your sources when adding new material. Thanks! 66.17.118.195 14:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

- Just a note that Mulholland Drive is included in the list of media, but doesn't actually feature any instances of body swapping; the renaming of characters is implied to be dream-related, not actually changing names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.43.184 (talk) 21:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Appearances in media[edit]

Seldom was a {{trivia}} tag so fittingly applied. —Tamfang (talk) 06:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

So. Why do you (JBSupreme) or anyone else feel the article is better without the "list of works that feature body swapping"? The article is pretty much entirely about premise of "body swapping" as used in many a fictional work, and I feel having a list of works that feature said premise makes for a more informative article than an article that omits them.
It's not like the list is a huge digression from the article's core topic, as some "in popular culture" lists are; in this case, the list is utterly relevant to the core topic.
So, aside from the "argh I hate long pop culture lists" reaction, what's the rationale for removing this list from this article?--Father Goose (talk) 07:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
The "Appearances in media" section is trivia, apes the Body swap article, and is not supported by any third parties sources. In essence it is original research. JBsupreme (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
In the past I've directed your attention to WP:PSTS (part of NOR), which explains that as long as a primary source is used to make descriptive claims only about the contents of said primary source, then it's not considered original research. Further, the "source" of the information is implicit as long as the specific work is identified, so a citation is redundant.
As for it being trivia -- this isn't a case of "this word was said once in work x" -- it's a list of fictional works that are specifically based on the fiction premise that is the subject of this article. In that respect, each entry has direct (if limited) importance to the subject of the article, and the list as a whole, quite substantial importance. Somebody looking for information on the subject of "body swapping" will find more of it in the article with the list than without. I've seen lists like this used by journalists, for instance, who appreciate that we have already "done the research" for them. See for instance this article, which cites our Anti-Barney humor article.
If the list were several times larger, I'd agree with cutting it back to "only the most prominent" examples, but at its present size, it's not exceeding our recommendations on article size, and rather than "aping" the article, it serves as a supplement to the prose.--Father Goose (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
It is also giving WP:UNDUE weight to the list, whether you regard it as trivial or not. Would you oppose splitting this out to a separate list then? JBsupreme (talk) 07:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's giving undue weight to an aspect of the topic, because the list quite directly relates to the topic itself.
If we spin the list off into its own article, it would probably be deleted at AfD. This entire article, even without the list, could potentially be deleted, due to its shit sourcing and writing. The only part of it I happen to think is not OR is the list. That said, "body swapping" is clearly a notable fiction premise. But these kinds of articles tend to be hard to source, and WP:N is a guillotine.
I wish there was a middle ground that would satisfy us both. I'm not sure there is.--Father Goose (talk) 03:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
JB, what do you mean by "apes"? —Tamfang (talk) 18:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I've trimmed this list from the main article to works that have the swap as its central premise. The other list can detail all the TV episodes that have it. You should be able to establish notability on the lists based on its promotions ("a body-swapping comedy") and/or article reviews. -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"Appearances in media" section[edit]

This should all be wikipedia and no imdb.

questionable entries[edit]

I removed these from the front list as they seem like more like possessions and incarnations rather than a swap. The main character takes over the body without any note about what happens to the target person. -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:12, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference article on body swapping[edit]

Found this on the Internet, perhaps this can be used to beef up the article: -AngusWOOF (talk) 06:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Metaphysical Media

Philosophy of Horror

Encyclopedia of Fantasy - Identity Exchange