Talk:Bondi Beach, New South Wales
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no mention of the skateboard facilities?
I have added danger ratings for the beach developed by Surf Life Savers Australia based on an article in the UK Guardian of 22 April, 2002.
removed this way too antecdotal and (self?)-promo-ish paragraph, needs more factual basis and references (gilbert's cyclery gets 3 google hits and all of them are a reference to the business): clarkk 04:01, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- This experience is illustrated by the Droz family who migrated from France last century and established the famous Gilbert’s Cyclery which has become a landmark in the commercial heart of Bondi Beach. Son Chris Droz can still be found holding court at the famous Bondi Hotel regaling friends and tourists with colourful histories of the area and its people.
removed this irrelevant definition: clarkk 04:01, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- regale, regaling; to provide with great enjoyment; entertain; To entertain sumptuously with food and drink; To feast.
Text now reads: "Until the mid 1990s the run was held in October, late autumn ...." Wouldn't October be late spring? So I'm not sure if "October" is wrong or "late autumn" is wrong. JamesMLane 01:21, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Bondi icebergs changes - removed material that was far too anedotal and self congratulatory. Otherwise I'd be happy to balance the old material with the fact that the club is currently suffering financially because of an invidous culture of corruption, thievery and incompetant management at all levels.
Caveman of Bondi
Jhiymy Mhyiles may prove Bondi Beach to be an unforgiving, cold and rather elitist community. They want to move a man from his cliffside home of seven years because he doesn't fit with the scenery. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6503009.stm Jhiymy's plight may embody the spirit of freedom and individuality for free people throughout the world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
Re: my revert
larry emdur does not live in bondi beach,
Larry has repeatedly made mention of his being a "Bondi boy" in various examples throughout his television career. Whether this means he grew up in the area or resides in the suburb today is unclear. However, he has made mention in the past of jogging regularly with James Packer, who did reside in Bondi.Cattona (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
The coordinates need the following fixes:
They were in the city, I fixed them to be right on the beach. Instead of : -33.889, 151.27342 It's now : -33.89102, 151.277726
No shelter from the sun
I addded the section on the fact there are no sun parasols on Bondi Beach (partly because my wife and I got dangerously burned, and we thought we were being really careful.....), but does anyone know why there aren`t any ? I find there absence particularly surprising because whilst in Australia we were very aware of all the publicity about the dangers of sun exposure. Virtually every European beach of comparable size/popularity has sun parasols (or some other cover from the sun) yet Bondi - where the sun is far more dangerous - has none. The only thing we can think of is that it`s an aesthetic thing, but again this is rather strange in view of the fact Australians are so "hot" (pun intended....) on the skin cancer etc.--JustinSmith (talk) 09:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I have to say I couldn`t disagree with you more, for two reasons : 1 Wikipedia isn`t just read by Australians. 2 We read the Wikipedia article on Bondi beach before going to Sydney, if someone had put that comment on before it`d have saved us a lot of hassle and discomfort, and, potentially, danger. Partly, only partly to be fair, due to the lack of sun shade we both thought we were being pretty careful as regards sun exposure. We didn`t realise how wrong we were till later that evening. We couldn`t sleep without damp towels draped over all our burns.... To those used to European beaches the lack of sun parasols, or sun shade generally, on a "developed" beach is very very unusual. If the same situation exists on all australian beaches then, in my opinion, the same info should be put on all articles about beaches in Australia. --JustinSmith (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
We`ve just come back from South America, including a visit to Rio. On both Copacabana and Ipanaema Beaches there were loads of parasols. In fact the beach was literally covered with them. Personally speaking I reckon the fact it makes the beach look a bit untidy, and very commercial, is the reason they`re absent from Bondi. Does anyone know whether the absence of them on Bondi is down to a ban by the authorities ? If that`s the case how can they justify putting aesthetic considerations above public health ? What is significant is that we didn`t get burnt on those beaches, unlike at Bondi..... --JustinSmith (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
If you want to say that this information is "guide book", as in information you`d find in a guide book (though actually it wasn`t in our guide book.....) then virtually the entire page comes under the same criteria. I feel very strongly that this information should stay in here and I`ll go as far as I can to make sure it does. To be frank I`m surprised anyone who may want to remove this fact doesn`t find the lack of sun shades v Australian goverment warning about sun exposure as interesting (and inconsistent) as I do. People I talk to about it are very surprised by it. Isn`t Wikipedia supposed to be accurate and interesting ? Certainly more so than the fact the beach was the scene of a record for the largest swimsuit photoshoot...... --JustinSmith (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- To add a lack of pasarols is your own WP:OR and WP:SYN – don’t do it. There’s no inconsistency. A pasarol is just one measure against sun damage – one that Australian beaches don’t have. Any Australian knows how to look after themselves in the sun without pasarols. Just because your wife allowed herself to get burnt, doesn’t mean that a lack of pasarols is relevant to this page.
- As for your promise that you will insert the info no matter what is not how wikipedia works, and is usually a flag for administrator interest.
- You may also want to see WP:NOT including WP:NOTGUIDE. Regards --Merbabu (talk) 22:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
When I last checked Wikipedia wasn`t just for Australians. Locals might find it obvious that there is no sun shelter on that beach, or any Australian beach, but most people who read that page are not Australians. The information is factual, undisputed and interesting, not just because (for non Australians) lack of sun shelter on a beach is highly unusual but because there is an inconsistency in the fact Australians publicise the danger of the sun all over the place. There are even adverts about it on the sides of busses, yet there is no shelter from the sun on the beache(s) ! ? ! If you don`t think that`s a significant inconsistency I`d like to know what is. I have to say I sense some sort of hidden agenda here. On the original research thing are you saying that the fact it`s an undisputed fact is completely irrelevant, I`d have to read it somewhere else for it to be relevent for inclusion ? If so I could just scan the internet for anywhere that states the fact (or just put it on my own website !) then quote that. As it happens it is provable from the very picture on the article, it`s just that people might not pick up on it without it being pointed out..... I don`t agree with the deletion of this relevant and interesting fact so, short of just constantly reverting it where do we go from here ? --JustinSmith (talk) 07:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Where do we go from here? Regarding your sunburn and lack of umbrellas for hire, I'd say we don't need to go any further. You could ask for an WP:RFC to have it explained to you again. then you can check out WP:DISPUTE - I'd suggest you consider whether that is wasting people's time. There are a number of wikipedia concepts you clearly don't get which I have provided links to. I can now add WP:AGF to that following your comments on a hidden agenda. In all seriousness, what could my "agenda" be, and if you think you know is it really that "hidden" (although it's perhaps hidden from myself)? --Merbabu (talk) 08:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah the hidden agenda comment was a bit extreme sorry about that, I was starting to wonder if you worked for the Australian tourist board or something ! The thing is that it`s not only us who think that the lack of sun shelter on Bondi beach is at least surprising and at most shocking. Wherever we travel, and get talking to other tourists, if the subject of beaches comes up the fact Bondi beach has no sun shelters available is our number one anecdote, and it always brings the same surprised response, particularly bearing in mind that the Australian Government devotes so much effort into education on the damaging effect of the sun (esp in the far southern hemisphere ?). I can only assume that Australians think it normal to have no sun shelters on a beach and so don`t think it worthy of comment. Incidentally I thought the definition of Encyclopedia was repository of information, so if something is factually correct, not libellous or insulting, and of interest, it should be in. I`ll think about putting it in Wikitravel because I really don`t want to get into any aggro over it, but you`ll have to believe me Europeans would find it an interesting and relevant fact about the beach.--JustinSmith (talk) 16:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)