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Diminished article quality[edit]

As it stands the article would probably not meet the FA criteria, as many non constructive edits have been performed since the last review five years ago. I'm signalling this with the hope the article can be repaired so no further review will be needed. The most visible problems are:

  • unreferenced and disputed content: 4 "citation needed" tags in article
  • MOS issues: 2x bare URLs, MOS:HEAD not followed, etc
  • excessive number of images: text sandwiched between images. When the article was promoted had 14 images, now it has 43 excluding the infobox. Several captions are too long.
  • decorative flagicons added to the sister cities section
  • Prose issues: lead bit clumsy repeating "Boston" 16 times.
  • Navbarfarm : 12!

These are just some of the most obvious. --ELEKHHT 07:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Initiated FAR. --ELEKHHT 13:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Cut, cut, cut[edit]

Not that I'm Orwell or anything, but one of my personal writing tenets is to remember that every word added dilutes the effect of all the others, so one must ask whether, in sum, a given piece of information actually adds to or detracts from the readers ability to come away with a good understanding of the subject. I'm in a pissy mood so maybe some of these don't deserve to be listed here, but honestly, does the reader really want to learn (or be misinformed by)...

  • that the MBTA lines are color-coded as orange, green, red, blue, silver and purple.
  • that the rail system is the 5th busiest, but the bus system is the 7th busiest, while transit usage is 3rd in the nation, and it's the 3rd busiest commuter rail network (and we even name #1 and #2 in case you care)
  • the names of the northermost, southernmost, and westernmost cities reached by the T (which has 65.5 miles of track -- the .5 is important, you know)
  • that there's a choice of electric and gas suppliers (which is true in the entire state, and most other states too) and their previous names, and the current and former names of steam companies, as if 1 in 100 people even know what a steam company does
  • the 13 names of Verizon's predecessors, somehow erroneously identifying the "Bell System" as the ultimate predecessor
  • population figures to the "exact" individual, and percentages to two decimal places
  • that the Marathon "always coincides with a Red Sox home baseball game that starts at 11:05 am, the only MLB game all year to start before noon local time" WOW!
  • that the ZBA has seven members
  • yes, and they're appointed by the mayor
  • shockingly, we are not told the cardinality of the School Committee
  • that Menino was "reelected in 2009 for a fifth term, the longest in the city's history" (actually, it makes sense to mention Menino's long tenure, though I'm skeptical as to whether his fifth term was longer than any of his other terms)
  • that the Patriots are "A charter member of the American Football League, the team joined the National Football League in 1970." Is this information about Boston?
  • "Boston is the country's third most densely populated city that is not a part of a larger city's metropolitan area" What in the world is the significance of this precise but essentially uninterpretable ranking?
  • misuse of the term "Boston proper", which has a technical (if now-little-used) meaning in the internal organization of city government
  • the detail that the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston happens to be the First District of the Federal Reserve.

There are also some unsettling statements, including...

  • "Within the city, Boston University exudes a large presence as the city's fourth-largest employer" (I thought all the exuding was ended after Silber left.)
  • "Surrounding the city are three major general aviation relievers: Beverly Municipal Airport to the north, Hanscom Field in Bedford, to the west, and Norwood Memorial Airport to the south." (I'm afraid to ask what a "reliever" is used for. Sounds nasty.)
  • talk of "fluctuation of people", which sounds painful

Like I said, I'm in a pissy mood. EEng (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I think it's because there's no actual Geography of Boston article. So essentially you have what's only supposed to be a small snapshot on the main Boston article with other information that's better suited as deep linked. CaribDigita (talk) 16:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

marathon bombing[edit]

I dont know if it should even be on this page, but the sentence On April 15, 2013, at approximately 14:50 ET the city suffered two bombings during the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and wounding 183 people. certainly does not belong where it currently is in the history section. The mention in the sports section is less out of place, but even then it seems given unnecessary weight. Maybe a sentence in the crime section instead. nableezy - 04:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the Boston Marathon bombings should be mentioned just once, and then linked to the very comprehensive article on the event. Tacking it onto the history hodgepodge section as it is now doesn't help. Perhaps we should look at how the New York City article handles the 9/11 attacks. Reify-tech (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation?[edit]

The article has the pronunciation /ˈbɔːstən/ listed as an option for the city. I was under the impression that local pronunciation was the only one mentioned for a city and differences in other accents were ignored. The local pronunciation then would only be /ˈbɒstən/. Otherwise why wouldn't also include /ˈbɑstən/ for how Canadians and the Western US say it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebro55 (talkcontribs) 19:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

No, the local pronunciation is not the only one listed for a city. Our pronunciation guidelines are cross-dialectal, even for city names. After all, even people from other places are permitted to speak of a city and to pronounce its names according to their native accent. If the local pronunciation deviates from what the rest of the world calls it, then the local pronunciation may be listed as well, but we don't list only the local pronunciation. Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Flag[edit]

I've moved the contents of Flag of Boston here as IMO that article doesn't merit being stand-alone (seriously, would anyone look up "Flag of Boston" rather than "Boston"?). I can't locate any reference from this article to F.O.B., but if there is one, it should be replaced with an intra-page reference. Chrismorey (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

History[edit]

The section on History lists a peculiar set of colleges and universities, specifically, "Schools such as Boston University, the Harvard Medical School, Northeastern University, Wentworth Institute of Technology, Berklee College of Music and Boston Conservatory." Wentworth is a 3rd rate technical school that is largely a junior college. The Boston Conservatory is a very small school without the reputation of the much better known New England Conservatory of Music, which is also located in Boston. I suspect that people affiliated with these schools included their names in this section. Bostoner (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we need to invoke base motives. Lots of material in this article seems to be arbitrarily drawn from larger supersets. In many cases, such as this one, we'd probably need e.g. a "List of..." spinoff to list them all, or some criterion for which subset to include. Be my guest. EEng (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Boston[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Boston's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "HKO":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 07:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Request to remove full protection of the redirect at Boston, Massachusetts[edit]

I've already presented my reasoning here -Talk:Miami#Request to undo full protection of the redirect at Miami, Florida-, and to a much lesser extent, here -Talk:San Diego#Request to remove full protection of the redirect at San Diego, California. I shouldn't need an administrator's permission just so I can add a redirect template or modify a category, and I shouldn't need to ask the admin to do it either. Dustin (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. I agree fully on that though. CaribDigita (talk) 21:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Demographics table more than 150%[edit]

Demographics for 2010:

  • White (includes White Hispanics) 54%,
  • Non-Hispanic Whites 47%,
  • Black or African American 24%,
  • Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 17.5%,
  • Asian 8.9%,
  • Two or more races 3.9%,
  • Native American 0.4%, Equals 155.7% ????

CaribDigita (talk) 21:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)