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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Boston Red Sox:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Expand: Include 2009 season breakdown, including 2008-2009 offseason moves, and the 2009 trade deadline moves
  • Merge: Nice information in the the seperate seasons but these may need their own page - page is getting too long
  • NPOV: Make sure that POV is modified
  • Update: Uniform section and logos
  • Verify: Need to clean up citations

NESN[edit]

The Yankees page includes, To support the Yankees and expand their media coverage, the dedicated television channel YES Network was launched in 2002, and it has become a large source of revenue for the franchise."

Shouldn't something about NESN be put in?

 Rejected Explanation: Why did I deny it? Because it has nothing to do with the article about Boston Red Sox. If it is a request then please mention it. Thanks. Cheers!-- Allied Rangoontalk 23:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request from BaseballCello, 24 May 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Pedro Martinez is no longer on the 40 man roster for the Philadelphia Phillies (reference Phillies website)
Under the retired numbers section, it should say:
"45 -- Pedro Martinez RHP (1998-2004); last played in 2009 for Philadelphia Phillies"
Then if under some circumstance, he does play for a team this year, it can be updated to reflect that. BaseballCello (talk) 10:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)BaseballCello

  • I confirm this from their website, but would you like to formulate exactly what you would like to see the article say? Or just remove his name from the roster?
EDIT: Oops, I wasn't logged in. -- Matthew Glennon (T/C\D) 13:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.Spitfire19 (Talk) 13:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request current roster box[edit]

the current roster template has been changed, but the changed has not been replicated on the Boston Red Sox page. KRay 22:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kray (talkcontribs)

Awesome. Done and done! KRay 22:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kray (talkcontribs)

Nationality of Players[edit]

Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache (talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
I think it makes sense, but I honestly doubt you'd get people to go along with it without it being made into a bigger deal than it actually is.Caelestis Filius (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

History[edit]

Though 2004 is arguably the most important seasons in the history of the Red Sox organization, the other years in the 2000s likely don't need their very own section in this article, it's getting too long. I suggest a subsection title of "2002-present: New ownership" or something to that effect. GunnerJr (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree. As if the last 20 years comprise all of history, the decades prior to that seem to have short shrift in this article. A better approach might be to have a much-condensed history in this article, a more detailed decade-by-decade treatment in History of the Boston Red Sox, and then a number of stand-alone articles for years of particular significance, eg Boston Red Sox in 2004. Darcyj (talk) 03:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 64.121.111.203, 27 April 2011[edit]

"Either way, in his only World Series, Williams gathering just five singles in 25 at-bats for a .200 average." Should be changed.

64.121.111.203 (talk) 03:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Please read the template you need a specific description of the request CTJF83 11:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Williams was indeed 5 for 25 in 1946 Series, which is a .200 average.[1] Hard telling what the IP wants changed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I see... should read "gathered" instead of "gathering". Duh! And DONE. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.76.82.33, 31 July 2011[edit]

The Red Sox played at Wrigley Field in 2005. The Cubs hadn't played at Fenway since 1918. 76.76.82.33 (talk) 02:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Is there incorrect information in the article? Where is it, what does it say, and exactly what would you like us to change it to? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The Cubs did indeed play at Fenway in 2005.[2] The article claimed that the Cubs had played the Red Sox in 1932, and not again until 2011. Both alleged facts are false. The Cubs did not play the Red Sox at any time in 1932, unless there was an exhibition game, but that doesn't count. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

File:2006Boston010.jpg - not properly licensed[edit]

I have listed an image in use in this article, File:2006Boston010.jpg as a possibly unfree file at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 August 25. While I think the file is clearly non-free, it may be eligible for use as a non-free file, so I am leaving a note here in case anyone would like to put together a fair use rationale during the listing period before it is deleted. Monty845 02:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Important 2004 fact omitted[edit]

In discussing the 2004 ALCS, the article fails to mention that, by winning game 6, the Red Sox became the 1st MLB team to go from being down 0-3 in a best-of-7 series to forcing a 7th game. (I don't have a source, but this was widely reported at the time.) This helps convey the magnitude of the accomplishment of the team in this series; no other team had even come close to the comeback this team achieved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robroot (talkcontribs) 12:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


In popular culture[edit]

Most famous soccer teams on wiki contain an 'In popular culture' section which relates to references and depictions of the club in cinema and television. This segment below is taken from the wiki page for Arsenal Football Club [yes I know in the USA it's called soccer but the team are officially called a football club] 'More recently, the book Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby was an autobiographical account of Hornby's life and relationship with football and Arsenal in particular. Published in 1992, it formed part of the revival and rehabilitation of football in British society during the 1990s.[84] The book was twice adapted for the cinema – the 1997 British film focuses on Arsenal's 1988–89 title win,[85] and a 2005 American version features a fan of baseball's Boston Red Sox.[86]' Just thought I'd make mention of it as it's Red Sox related, though naturally would need rewording to suit an American Baseball and Boston Red Sox rather than English Soccer and Arsenal perspective. Captainbeecher (talk) 10:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if a "in popular culture" section is really needed here. I can't think of what benefit it'd add to the article other than being trivia. either way (talk) 12:46, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Tpbsail7, 27 September 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} 2010 and 2011 season: Seasons plagued with injuries

Adrian Gonzalez, David Ortiz, and Erik Bedard are incorrectly listed as spending time on the DL in September. They sat out day-to-day, but they did not go on the 15-day DL.

The Red Sox held the AL East lead as late as September 1st, not "midway through the season" and are 6-19 for the month of September.


Tpbsail7 (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Please give a reliable source, thanks,  Chzz  ►  03:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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2011 Season[edit]

It should be mentioned that the Red Sox 2011 Season ended with the greatest Collapse in Baseball history, blowing at 9 game lead in september. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.96.144 (talk) 21:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC) Yes, yes very good.

Enos Slaughter's 'Mad Dash' Link Replacement[edit]

The link to the 'mad dash' should link to the actual article about the dash -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter%27s_Mad_Dash -- and not to the Red Sox' 1946 season as it currently does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.58.225.121 (talk) 00:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Yaz' triple ended up being changed[edit]

I find:

"On October 2, 1972, they also lost the second to last game of the year to the Tigers, 3–1, when Luis Aparicio fell rounding third after Yastrzemski hit a triple in the third inning, Aparicio tried to scamper back to third but this created an out as Yastrzemski was already on third."

Try:

"On October 2, 1972, they also lost the second to last game of the year to the Tigers, 3–1; in that game, Luis Aparicio fell rounding third (after Yastrzemski hit an apparent triple in the third inning) and tried to scamper back to third but this created an out as Yastrzemski was already on third."

In the existing version, you have 2 sentences combined into one. Also, I have added "apparent", because when the 2-men-on-3rd situation arose, 3rd base had to be awarded to Aparicio as the lead runner (Yaz was NOT forced to advance from 2nd to 3rd), so Yaz was out at 3rd upon being tagged, and his hit was changed to a double because, despite his arriving at 3rd base, he was not entitled to that base. Retrosheet has the play-by-play, and it does have Yaz credited with a double. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 14:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Here's the section of the rules,[3] and for the benefit of other readers, here's the Retrosheet entry,[4] which had 2 games played after it, assuming that's what they meant by "second to last" (as opposed to "next to last"). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I've reworded it and removed the erroneous rainout statement along with the trivia about Yaz. That happened in the third inning of the first of their three games to close the season. I'm sure that sticks in the craw of older Red Sox fans, but that's not necessarily the reason they lost the pennant. It was, at worst, an "ill omen". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

There is a section on Wikipedia about baserunning (and the rare 2-runners-at-a-base situation); it is found in Baseball Rules, under Baserunning (although I did not see it in the main Baserunning article). The situation described here could be put there. There was also a 3-runners-at-3rd situation regarding the Baltimore Orioles in 1992 or 1993. It wouldn't be trivia if it helps illustrate the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 17:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

This situation (2 men at 3rd, although not in those words) is also in the History article, cross referenced from here. I'd suggest leaving that situation **IN** that article, but I will fix the part about rainout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

And on the History of the Boston Red Sox (in Wikipedia), I changed the score to 4-1. Take another look at Retrosheet for Oct. 2, 1972.

Please clarify regarding a cancelled game of 1972[edit]

I find:

"The start of the season was delayed by a players' strike, and the Red Sox further lost a game to a rainout that was never replayed, which caused the Red Sox to lose the division by a half-game."

This needs some clarification. I know about the strike, and any games not played because of the strike were cancelled (and not made up). This did create the situation of teams not being scheduled for the same number of games (and as noted, the Red Sox lost the division by 1/2 game, which would not have happened otherwise). But if a game scheduled AFTER the strike was rained out, it should have been made up if it affected the standings w/r to the playoffs. Do you understand what I am saying? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

My recollection is that the uneven schedule was strictly due to the strike. Whoever made that rainout claim, needs to provide a source. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Checking retrosheet and the old baseball guides, I see that the Tigers were 86-70 and the Red Sox were 85-70, with no tied games. That means the Tigers missed 6 games and the Red Sox missed 7. The schedule shows that 4 of those missed games were against each other, and the extra missed game for Boston came on April 12th. I'm not seeing any evidence of un-made-up rainouts:
Apr 6,8,9: Detroit at Boston
Apr 11,13: New York at Detroit
Apr 11,12,13: Boston at Cleveland
Apr 14: Boston at Detroit
Apr 15: first games after strike
Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 16 November 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}}

The following appears in parentheses: "Originally, a team was supposed to be started in Buffalo, but league ownership at the last minute removed the city from their plans in favor of the expansion Boston franchise." Just after "removed", try "that" instead of "the".

(It emphasizes better that the city removed from the plans was Buffalo.)

128.63.16.82 (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Done  Chzz  ►  23:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 16 November 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}}

I find:

before Boston officially adopted the nickname "Braves" in 1912

Because the AL, which included the Red Sox, existed by then, try replacing "Boston" with "the Boston NL club".

128.63.16.82 (talk) 20:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Please supply reliable sources for that, and re-request, thanks.  Chzz  ►  23:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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I am on the webdite and do not have boston listed  ???????????

mlwesty@hotmail.com Merlin West thanks you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.132.29 (talk) 19:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request 2012-04-23[edit]

There is a claim that in recent years (WHEN?? needs to be specific), the press calls the team the "Sawx", but there is no citation supporting that claim. Provide a Wikipedia-compliant source, or remove the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 July 2012[edit]

In section for year 2009, I find: "3rd straigt year". Please fix the spelling of "straight".

128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Thank you very much! Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE[edit]

The more recent seasons, especially 2007 onward, have too much intricate detail that doesn't concern the franchise as a whole, but should be contained at each season's article instead. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree, well, in part. The best Sports team articles have their seasons broken up into "eras" by, y'know, whatever seems to make sense. I think it's fully reasonable to include quite a bit of detail on the 04 and 07 squads, since they were pretty damn important. It'll be real easy to break the Henry era (2002-present) into 2002-3, 2004, 2005-6, 2007, and 2008-present. I think the subheading names are dumb, frankly, and quite an issue of NPOV ("Plagued with injuries and collapses", for instance, seems very apologetic) so I won't suggest a naming convention. It makes sense to include more detail for more successful years (post-season appearances, specifically, should be mentioned in some detail), but these 10 years do look unwieldy, compared to the 6 paragraphs used for 1939-1960. The Henry era gets 24 (excluding the WS Championship mentions, which are 10 and 6, respectively). Hell, there's even a fourth-level heading for the 05-6 offseason. I agree that it should be significantly pared down. Achowat (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 September 2012[edit]

To correct a minor mistake in the Bobby Valentine section. Bobby Valentine was hired on November 30th, 2011, not December 2012. Source : http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/11/30/valentine_picked_as_red_sox_manager/

2012: The Bobby Valentine Era[edit]

On November 30th, 2011, Bobby Valentine was hired as a new manager. His predecessor Francona, in an essential trade deal, was hired by ESPN as its Sunday Night Baseball analyst with Orel Hershiser and Dan Shulman. Also in December, Jonathan Papelbon signed with the Philadelphia Phillies. The Red Sox debuted their new spring training home, jetBlue Park at Fenway South in Fort Myers, Florida, featuring a replica of the Green Monster. The season marked the centennial of Fenway Park, and on April 20, past and present Red Sox players and coaches assembled to celebrate the park's anniversary.

216.226.57.249 (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The source you provide says in the subtitle "pending contract". That means it wasn't official as of November 2011. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Triple Crown 1967[edit]

The article states that Carl Yastrzemski is the last player to win the batting triple crown in 1967. This is no longer true as Miguel Cabrera accomplished this feat in 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmyh87 (talkcontribs) 00:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

1975[edit]

The article reads, "Dwight Evans made a spectacular catch of a Joe Morgan line drive and doubled Ken Griffey at first base to preserve the tie." Of needs to be changed to off.

Timmyh87 (talk) 01:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)Timmyh87

Meaning-altering grammatical error[edit]

This sentence, "From May 15, 2003 to April 10, 2013, the Red Sox sold out every home game-a total of 820 games (794 regular season) for a major professional sports record that lasted almost a decade" in the third paragraph of the introduction should read something like, "From May 15, 2003 to April 10, 2013, the Red Sox sold out every home game, a total of 820 games (794 regular season) - a major North American professional sports record." The whole "that lasted almost a decade" part, when placed after "for a professional sports record" insinuates that the record was only the record for ten years, not that the record lasted ten years. With careful reading, the intended meaning is understandable because 2023 has not yet happened, but if one reads the sentence quickly, the intended meaning is not obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.221.180 (talk) 21:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Added new section for 2013[edit]

The previous version ended with "2008-present: injuries and collapse". I edited the prior section heading to read "2008-2012: injuries and collapse" and added 2013: Return to competition" to reflect the team's new turnaround as reflected by the data and the articles I used to source the section.Petercannon usf (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

This page really should not be used for such detailed season by season summaries.. those belong on the history page. Spanneraol (talk) 20:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect photo of COPP[edit]

The photo shown as of the current time stamp, depicting City of Palms Park is indeed NOT a picture of that stadium, nor anywhere on its grounds, nor indeed is it on any property used nor formerly used by the Red Sox. Within the fine details of the pic itself it says it is part of a youth league complex which IS accurate. But, on the main page it clearly misidentifies the field as being part of the "City of Palms Park" complex. The youth league field depicted, is not only unrelated to the Red Sox, but it about a mile away from City of Palms Park and is not directly related to it in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.254.93.154 (talk) 01:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

It has been seven months and this has still not been corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.10.191 (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Should be admin restricted[edit]

After the latest incident about the St Louis Cardinals homophobia in Wikipedia, I strongly suggest that this page be admin restricted because of the concern that St Louis fans would slander the Red Sox. JamesJNHu (talk) 22:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Page protection isn't preemptive or at least it shouldn't. If there is vandalism on the page, it will be dealt with as it comes.--JOJ Hutton 23:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention adding 2013 WS champions before the game is even over — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.187.12 (talk) 03:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

History[edit]

Eventually, the History section, particularly the paragraphs pertaining to recent years, will need to be trimmed to make more room in the future. Perhaps this is a project to be undertaken by editor/baseball fans during the baseball offseason.

DaDoc540 (talk) 05:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2013[edit]

With 8 World Series titles, I think it would be a great idea to have a table listing them on the Boston Red Sox wikipedia page. I already took the liberty in creating the table with complete working links to their respective wikipedia pages. All years/managers/opponents/series scores/records are accurate and triples checked. 1903 Series Score was indeed 5-3 in the best of nine game format which I'm sure you already know.

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. You've gone to some trouble, and I like the results, but I want to make sure this is consistent with accepted practice on MLB team articles. Please indicate exactly where in the article you'd like this added. (Note: the proposed addition is in the section that follows.) Rivertorch (talk) 04:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
The championships are already listed in the infobox, what should be actually listed are the historical managers of the team. GoxSox1989 (talk) 12:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

World Series championships[edit]

The Red Sox have won 8 World Series Championships. Their last one came in 2013, under manager John Farrell, when they defeated the St. Louis Cardinals in six games.

Season Manager Opponent Series Score Record
1903 Jimmy Collins Pittsburgh Pirates 5–3 91–47
1912 Jake Stahl New York Giants 4–3 105–47
1915 Bill Carrigan Philadelphia Phillies 4–1 101–50
1916 Bill Carrigan Brooklyn Robins 4–1 91–63
1918 Ed Barrow Chicago Cubs 4–2 75–51
2004 Terry Francona St. Louis Cardinals 4–0 98–64
2007 Terry Francona Colorado Rockies 4–0 96-66
2013 John Farrell St. Louis Cardinals 4–2 97–65
Total World Series championships: 8

Biap1206 (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)