Talk:Brad Ausmus

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Which Draft Round[edit]

47th or 48th? Not clear from the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.224.245 (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Reference 18 is dead. Reference 6 states round 47. http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/10/11/sports/doc4cb2975764447510024490.txt?viewmode=fullstory states round 48. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.224.245 (talk) 12:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/1987/June-Reg/48.shtml lists round 48, with Ausmus being the number 1151 pick overall. This correlates with "the 1150 players drafted ahead of him"

Jewish stats and rankings[edit]

I do not believe that statistical rankings with respect to particular religions or ethnicities belong in a player's introductory paragraph or section. I thought moving that information down to the section on the National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame was appropriate. Wiki279 02:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with you as to the introductory paragraph, and believe that there is support for the notion that absent unusual circumstances that is the case. However, I think it is fine later than the introductory paragraph, and given how high his rankings are in that category I think it is especially acceptable.--Epeefleche 03:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Would anyone else like to weigh in on this? Are rankings among other religions or ethnicities mentioned elsewhere? I think it would be fair to argue that it doesn't belong at all. Does baseball-reference.com chart this? Is this a regular topic of discussion during baseball broadcasts? No. So one can ask why it belongs here. I won't go as far as to say that it can't be included but in my opinion it does not warrant introductory section treatment. Wiki279 03:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
        • There is support for your view as to the introductory paragraph -- depending on whether one views the Jewish people as a people or solely as a religion. I am not aware of any support as to the introductory para. Notability on Wikipedia turns on whether there are mentions of Jewish ballplayers by appropriate sources. There are. The Major League Baseball set of Jewish baseball player cards, see [1], the books on Jewish major league baseball players, see e.g. [2], [3], [4], and [5], the listings on Baseball Almanac, see [6], etc., of Jewish baseball players, the Jewish Halls of Fame that included Jewish baseball players, the lists of top career performances by Jewish major leaguers (see Ausmus article), the articles in papers on the best Jewish baseball players (see Ryan Braun and Shawn Green bios), etc., etc., all point to this.--Epeefleche 06:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
          • Obviously, there are compilations about Jewish players. Let me put my point this way: if the Jewish record for wins or hits were to fall, would the ESPN anchor to lead the account of that game with "Shawn Green set a new all-time record for hits by a Jewish player as the Mets beat the Cubs"? I doubt it. That factoid falls in the category of trivia or miscellany, which does not rate first section treatment--regardless of which paragraph it's in. Should Roy Campanella's intro list his rankings among Italian-Americans, among African-Americans, among Afro-Italians, and among Baptists? I'd rather stick to on-the-field attributes. I think we've both made our points and I'd invite others to join the discussion. Wiki279 05:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Baseball Almanac and other respectable publications can be expected to do so when Shawn Green breaks Hank Greenberg's home run record next season ... as he has a fair chance of doing. And there is nothing in Wiki that suggests that ESPN is the arbiter. And for all I know they will as well. Major league baseball endorsed the baseball cards for Jewish players. The wiki criteria for notability suggest that what I point to above makes it notable. Anyway, ESPN is unlikely to lead their article with the fact that Ausmus's middle name is David, or that he was born on the 14th of April, or that he was born in New Haven -- and all of those are mentioned in the first section. The distinction of course between Jewish ballplayers and Afro-Italians and Baptists is that the latter categories don't have the above indicia of notability. You seem to gloss over that. If they were to have those indicia -- of course they should be treated the same way. I think you are creating criteria as you go along, rather than focusing on the Wiki criteria for notability, which this satisfies.--Epeefleche 06:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I can't locate the criteria for notability you cite. I'll accept that it's noteworthy--but it's not what any objective expert would include if asked to give a brief summary of who Brad Ausmus is. (I wonder what Ausmus himself would say, given that I can't find any indication he identifies himself as Jewish.) I mentioned ESPN as a for instance--I don't expect any mainstream media outlet to track the Shawn Green chase. I could find respectable publications that list Ausmus's rankings among Ivy Leaguers. While that might be of great interest to some people, it doesn't mean it belongs in the intro. Wiki279 13:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC) Raised assessment to B, but:

  • Fix the references. Give article title, author, name of publication, date of publication, and date retrieved from Web. See Template:Cite news.
  • Fix the play/manage quotes, they seem to be in the wrong order. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Manythanks. actually, the quotes are in the correct order!--Ethelh (talk) 05:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Revert[edit]

I have reverted the deletion of various ce edits that were reverted without explanation, and ibox info of career highlights that was deleted which is clearly career highlight information that has also been deleted (twice now) without explanation.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

All of these highlights do not need to be in the infobox. It makes it bigger than it should be. Only basics such as All Star game selections, awards, WS championships, etc. This is nothing new it has been like this for a while.--Yankees10 20:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The question is not whether they "need to be" in the infobox. It is whether they are appropriate for the infobox. They are. They are clearly major career highlights, which is what the infobox template calls for. These specific ones have been reflected in this ibox for a while.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
But like I said it has been agreed that only AS games, awards, etc are in the infobox to avoid cluttering the infobox. The best thing to do in my opinion is to have all of this info under a highlight section in the article and just have a link to the info in the infobox. Like in the Pete Rose for example.--Yankees10 20:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I've brought a number of baseball and other sports articles to GA and FA level, and this is what we've done on them. Leading the National League or American League in a category is precisely the sort of "career highlight" that should be reflected summarily in an ibox. It is not limited to awards and positions elected to, but also includes (by its terms) career highlights. This has been reflected in the ibox in summary fashion. I think it is appropriate as-is, and inappropriate to delete. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
But this is what was agreed to. Pointless highlights such as "Active leader; 17 seasons without going on the disabled list (through 2009)" should not be in the infobox. I dont see the problem with having it the way I suggested.--Yankees10 21:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm pointing to the overarching approach that covers all sports articles of FA and GA quality, which this is close to now. I do agree as to the disabled list item being deleted -- will do so myself. And I do have a problem w/the censoring out of the other clearly notable career highlights, when that is precisely what the ibox calls for. Plus, not -- this is a long article, so the relative length of the ibox w/the info is lesser to the text than it would be to a stub. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Do you really think having a highlight section is going to affect anything?--Yankees10 23:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I do think it is important enough that I've engaged in this discussion. I believe that you and I agree on most things. This is one where I have a different view. I think that it is important to the extent (no more, no less) that the template has an effect. But I guess to that extent I do think it important.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure you understand my comment or maybe i'm just not understanding your response. But you really think having the highlight section in the infobox is going to prevent it from reaching FA and GA quality?--Yankees10 00:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not saying that, necessarily. But I would like to bring it up to that level, and it would be consistent in doing so to reflect league-leading highlights in the highlights section. It also strikes me as common sense. If "highlights" -- separate from "awards -- is to mean anything, leading the league in a category would clearly qualify. It gives the reader, from just a glance at the ibox, info that they would not otherwise have that provides a snapshot of the person, which is the goal of the ibox.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)