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Wrong interpretation of information about woman and man grey matter ratios from the articles used as reference[edit]

"When individual cortical lobar volumes were compared, the right to left asymmetry held in all regions except the parietal, where the sides were not significantly different in size. Interestingly, female left parietal cortical volume was the only measure not significantly smaller than the male counterpart, and was larger as a proportion of left cerebral hemisphere than in males. Past studies have suggested proportionately greater grey matter volume in females, with the suggestion that greater total brain volume in males correspond to increased white matter volume, implying perhaps the same computational capacity, with preserved amounts of grey matter, but more lengthy intracranial connections.[4], [9] and [31] It is of interest that Gur et al. found the absolute volume of grey matter was also lower in females, a finding that we have replicated."

Carne et al. Cerebral cortex: an MRI-based study of volume and variance with age and sex. J Clin Neurosci (2006) vol. 13 (1) pp. 60-72

"In adult men and women, global grey matter decreases linearly with age with a steeper decline in men (24; 38), a finding that has been confirmed postmortem (39). The reasons for these differences are not clear but may be related to the female sex steroids. There have been no studies evaluating the female sex steroids estrogen and progesterone and their receptor systems in the living human brain because the tools are currently unavailable."

Cosgrove et al. Evolving knowledge of sex differences in brain structure, function, and chemistry. Biological Psychiatry (2007) vol. 62 (8) pp. 847-55 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Gender disparity percentages in grey and white matter is unsupported by Taki et al (2011)
Citation: Taki Y, Thyreau B, Kinomura S, Sato K, Goto R, et al. (2011) Correlations among Brain Gray Matter Volumes, Age, Gender, and Hemisphere in Healthy Individuals. PLoS ONE 6(7): e22734. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0022734
--Vitki1963 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitki1963 (talkcontribs) 07:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Brains shrinking[edit]

Please see these links here, evidence that human brain size is shrinking. There should be a section about this on the article.

Chemistryfan (talk) 16:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Human Encephalization quotient[edit]

Homo sapiens quotient is claimed to be 4.6 whereas on encephalization quotient it is listed as 7.4-7.8. I cannot access the Aiello and Wheeler paper to verify their estimate and the larger quotient number, on its own page, is unreferenced. Can someone with journal access please resolve this. I have placed a similar request on encephalization quotient. FloreatAntiquaDomus 10:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloreatAntiquaDomus (talkcontribs)

Merge with Cranial capacity[edit]

Articles cover the same topic, but "brain size" is more general. jonkerz ♠talk 05:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I would support that. Looie496 (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I am in favor of it, cranial capacity can be made a redirect to brain size....

AmRit GhiMire 'Ranjit' (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I have completed this merge. --LT910001 (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Brain Size and Intelligence[edit] cites the source and added the follow text to the "Intelligence" section:

"Researchers have also found strong evidence that northern populations have larger visual processing area which makes up the population differences in brain size rather than intelligence and that the visual processing enlargement was possibly due to the cold dark winters(similar to the Neanderthals)."

There are several problems from's edit. Pearce is referring to her own study which is:

Pearce, Eiluned, and Robin Dunbar. "Latitudinal variation in light levels drives human visual system size." Biology letters 8.1 (2012): 90-93.

This is a study regarding the correlation of human orbital volume to latitude. It is not a study on intelligence and there is absolutely no mention of intelligence in Pearce's study at all. Pearce, when discussing her own study in the BBC link, mentions that bigger brains in populations of higher latitude, doesn't mean that they are necessarily smarter. This is very different from's text which claims that there is "strong evidence" that visual processing area rather than intelligence causes population differences in brain size. The source doesn't make a "strong evidence" claim about anything. But beyond that point, Pearce's study had absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, the quote by Pearce in BBC is entirely speculative on her part with absolutely no peer review support, and there is no cited source to support this speculative commentary by Pearce.

With problems relating to WP:PRIMARY, WP:SYNTH, WP:V, WP:NEWSORG, I removed the text in question. BlackHades (talk) 11:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

What are the reliable secondary sources that support current article text? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 12:51, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
For which line specifically? BlackHades (talk) 20:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I decided to insert this in cranial capacity since the two articles might be merged and more importantly, it relates more to that then this one. I gave a second source that describes the differences among latitude populations in visual cortices and how that potentially explains why humans living at higher latitudes are selected for bigger brains( specifically the visual cortex) to cope with poorer lighting conditions in the colder climates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Can someone fill in sources for the implied controversy between brain size and functioning, as I have found some neurology papers that have such link, and am not familiar with the controversy? User:Puuska —Preceding undated comment added 22:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Intelligence Citations bibliography -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 04:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Intelligence citations bibliography for updating this and other articles[edit]

You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human intelligence to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)