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Discussion[edit]

... I'm not quite sure why this article needs revision. I have found no errors in the article's grammar, convention or punctuation. I'm not sure why it's marked ?? Is there some way to find out why this article has been marked for copy editing, and if so, to communicate with that user as to what needs to be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zpalmese (talkcontribs)

I see numerous errors, mainly in punctuation and style...in addition to which, the writing could be tightened up a lot. Do you mind my asking--are you a native English speaker? --Lukobe 05:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Lukobe, It's fine to ask! -- I am a native English speaker with college English under my belt. After reading the wiki a second time, I WAS able to find a few errors in the article. I am also trying to become familiar with the Wikipedia rules of style. I appreciate you getting back to me so soon. Little things that I touched up (as of 4/12/2007 12:18AM MST) include a comma here and there, fixing a confusing sentence, etc. However, I do agree possibly some organizational revisions are in order, more citations, etc...
I will take a look at the Wikipedia style guidelines and get more of a feel for what Wikipedia wants when it comes to grammar, style, etc. Thanks!
Zpalmese 07:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Zpalmese! --Lukobe 06:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
There are definite issues with this article. I tried to do a cleanup, since it's clear most of the article is copied directly from her myspace page. However, another user claimed to have permission to copy it from there. Personally, I think it looks more like an advertisement than a wiki article. I'm not in the mood to have an edit war, so I'm leaving it alone for now. But someone should fix this. User:kc12286 03:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I just did a bunch of trimming down and took a lot of POV references out, but for some reason it got relabeled as in need of cleanup. What would likely help is finding an article or two in some reputable magazines/newspapers that could be drawn on as sources. Perhaps with the press surge and the whole "Grey's Anatomy" promo thingy, this will be easier to find. NickBurns 06:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

This is very nitpicky, but does anyone have another picture of her that falls under fair use? This one.....well, she kinda looks like she's an extra from a production of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band". Just my humble opinion....NickBurns 16:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

hey! put this picture, this is the best one:

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/brandi-carlile-web.jpg

I agree that the picture could be better. It doesn't look right, plus probably doesn't fall under fair use. kc12286 23:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)kc12286
Maybe this picture?
http://seattlepi.com/dayart/20060802/450carlile.jpg
Originally from her page on her record companys's web page Fundin 19:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted the image back to the live performance free image, from the copywritten promotional image (the one of her in the jacket that was criticized above, I believe) for the second time this week. Per WP:NONFREE, a free image should be used instead of the non-free promotional image. Even if you are her manager, Wikipedia has policies to follow. Thanks much -- Foetusized (talk) 03:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm reverting the image to the free use image, per my reasons above. According to policy at WP:NONFREE, "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available" so stop replacing this free image with a non-free image -- Foetusized (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I went to her official web page, run by her record label, which contains the "looks like she's an extra from a production of 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'" publicity photo that keeps getting put back on this article. Following the "Terms and Conditions" link at the bottom of the index page I found the following text:

All material on this website, including, but not limited to, text, data, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips, video clips, links, digital downloads, data compilations, and software is owned, controlled by, or licensed to Sony BMG and is protected by copyright, trademark, and other intellectual property rights. Material on this website is made available solely for your personal, non-commercial use and may not be copied, reproduced, republished, modified, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way, including by e-mail or other electronic means, without the express prior written consent of Sony BMG in each instance. You may download material intentionally made available for downloading from this website for your personal, non-commercial use only, provided that you keep intact any and all copyright and other proprietary notices that may appear on such materials.

Bolding is mine, to stress the fact that, per her web site and record label, this publicity photo is not a free-use image.
Based on this, and not the GNU license that has appeared on the image the last time it was uploaded (copyright was claimed on previous uploads), I am reverting the image back the clearly-not-copyritten not-complained-about-on-the-talk-page live performance image.
I'll also add my personal vote that I prefer the live performance shot to the deer-in-the-headlights publicity photo. Also, I'm tired of discussing this with myself; please respond here before changing the image yet again. Thanks much -- Foetusized (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Singles[edit]

The singles template isn't showing up correctly. I'm not sure how to correct it. For some reason it keeps showing up at the bottom of the page, instead of under the singles section. kc12286 02:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)kc12286

Credible source[edit]

There has been some concern over whether this source is credible, etc. Input from many editors would be appreciated as, if it is credible, it contains some useful biographical information. Thanks ZueJay (talk) 01:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Seems a good source to me. Student journalism at an accredited university is still journalism. --Yksin 17:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Is there a way to let people know to stop removing the LGBT categories added to her? Apparently some people think it's vandalism, or are too lazy to check here. Oreo 23 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.164.23 (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I added a sexuality stint on her page just for immediate reference. I don't see how this isn't a credible source. It's an interview with her, and her bandmates at the time. If it wasn't true then there would have been something done about it. It's not a tabloid, so why do people keep removing the LGBT categories from her name? Feel free to edit the sexuality portion I put up, because I just left it there for reference. Can I get some feedback, please? I believe the article falls under credibility, and if so, people need to stop deleting the categories, thanks. Oreo 24 October 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 22:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it is less about a the article being a credible source and more about it just being in poor taste. There have been no other sources since this one article and Brandi has not spoken publicly about her sexuality or private life since that one article. If she wanted her sexuality to be spoken about publicly I think she'd have done so herself since then. Does every person who has an article on Wikipedia have a Sexuality section?Hollyinpa 13:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Man, I don't even know why I use Wikipedia anymore. It's full of mindless fucking morons like you people. Maybe it's because no one has ASKED her about her sexuality. I'm gay, but I don't feel the need to fucking announce it. If someone asks me I'll answer. And I don't give a shit about the Wikipedia civil policy. Fuck you guys, SHE'S A LESBIAN. End of story, goddamn. Oreo 31 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.164.23 (talk) 22:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure why people keep "cleansing" this article. It's not a press kit, it's supposed to be a repository for facts. She's got her own web site for PR. And whether it should be there or not, I definitely don't get deleting the discussions that when on earlier on this topic. 'Out of sight, out of mind' appears to have been the goal, but it clearly didn't work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.131.3.22 (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think it's our place to "cleanse" the article. If she talked about it in an interview, it's fair game, and became part of public record. 68.3.214.66 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


I don't see a consensus here. In the recent addition of the personal life section the editor commented on the fact that Ms Carlile has not commented since on her sexuality. If she doesn't need to talk about it why is it necessary for us to discuss it? Is it relevant to her career? I don't think so. This all seems like an attempt to categorize an artist based on her sexuality not her talent.

I don't doubt that the article is a credible source by most standards but if you have read the article you will see that it is written in really poor taste. To quote the article "The band is about to sign a record contract, guitarist Keith Wright said. "(Fans) love us now, and they want to marry us and hump us," he said." It was said guitarst (who is no longer with the band) that called Brandi a lesbian not Brandi herself.

Is citing such an article in line with Wikipedia standards? I would hope that Wikipedia has higher standards since articles are contantly cited for cleanup and the grammer patrol is always on duty.Ubtrbelizeit68 (talk) 18:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

First of all, for others that might want to jump into the discussion, the news article in question is now located here: [1] -- the URL linked above is dead. In the article, Carlile herself comments on her sexuality: 'Carlile said she did not think being a lesbian would affect her record deal. "I think that since it's not a big deal for me, that people subscribe to that," she said.' That shoots down the "only the former guitarist" theory.
Also, with one exception, the old posts above seem to agree that the article is a credible source, and the editors that kept removing the citation and the fact the she is lesbian should stop. I don't see why you need to be the "information cop" and keep removing this from her article. It is a cited fact, perhaps something she hasn't been discussing with the press since she signed with Columbia, but still a fact -- Foetusized (talk) 20:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
First and foremost, I agree with Foetusized completely. Secondly, her sexuality isn't being discussed except on this talk page. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. The fact that she commented on being lesbian in the past is why it's being included in this article. We have a valid source where she discussed being gay and how she felt it would not affect her music career. She has obviously changed her tune and would rather not talk openly about being gay and that is why I purposefully included a note stating such. However, that doesn't make the fact that she once did comment on it any less note-worthy or of interest. I'm sorry that you feel that editors are categorizing her by her sexuality and not her talent but wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia of facts and we certainly aren't slandering her name in any way. Now, I agree that there is no need for a "sexuality" section, but the information belongs in the article. TheGifted1 (talk) 03:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Current Tour[edit]

She is currently touring with the Indigo Girls, and I was wondring if anyone knew the name of the cellist in her backup band? Josh something, I think. She's touring with him, the twins, and the Indigo Girls... if anyone has more information, maybe it should be added.

Okay, so according to http://www.myspace.com/joshneumanncello , his name is Josh Neumann. Cool. I might add that. Or if anyone has more info with a decent source, they should add it.

EDIT: Queen's Paragon -> Queen Anne Paragon.[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Not sure how this is supposed to work but it said to put it here. There's just a typo of the main page. It says "Queen's Paragon" but I'm almost positive they mean the Queen Anne Paragon. It's a bar in the Seattle neighborhood of Queen Anne where she has played. http://www.paragonseattle.com/

Sparhawk2k (talk) 02:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I also realized afterwards that the name is just the Paragon so there doesn't need to be an apostrophe after Queen Anne.

Sparhawk2k (talk) 20:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, I've changed it to Paragon. Thanks for the correction. ~ mazca t | c 12:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible sources[edit]

Hope these help. -- Banjeboi 14:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

JC Penney commercial[edit]

Anyone up to adding the use of "Have You Ever" for the current JC Penney commercial? Baxteria (talk) 01:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Popularity in Portugal[edit]

Does anyone mind adding a note about her popularity in Portugal? Roughly around January 2008, national TV channels began airing a commercial for Super Bock staring "The story", which made her widely known and appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.155.228.102 (talk) 02:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

ESPN/ABC Usage[edit]

"the Story" was used by ESPN/ABC on their "Saturday Night Football" ABC broadcast of the Penn State @ Ohio State football game on the evening of 25 October 2008. It was used at least twice when presenting a very short retrospect of Penn State head coach, Joe Paterno. ClaymoreWW (talk) 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Recently on Grey's Anatomy[edit]

In the current Wikipedia article only three of her songs that have appeared on abc's show Grey's Anatomy were mentioned. On October 22, 2008 "Hiding My Heart Away" was on the show. I felt it was important to mention. Skewereddorion (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

New Album[edit]

Just got this from Brandi's official mailing list today:

"Brandi and the band will be headlining shows starting September 10th to promote her forthcoming studio album! The album, titled Give Up The Ghost, will be released this fall. The official release date will be announced in the coming weeks.

Pre-sale tickets for The Give Up The Ghost Traveling Show will be available starting Tuesday July 14th, at 10AM PST. The public on sale date for the tour is July 17th. We'll send more information early next week about the pre-sale."

Perhaps someone who can edit the page can add something about the new album coming out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.33.165 (talk) 03:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Now that the album is definitely coming out on October 6, someone should probably include that in the body of the article. Thnx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.137.57 (talk) 17:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Discography[edit]

Discography needs to be updated to include the limited, but still released EP of "Ghost Demos" by Brandi & The Twins. It was an EP released to a certain number of those who pre-ordered "Give Up The Ghost" either online, or at any of the Give Up The Ghost tour dates previous to the album's release on October 29th, 2009.

Againtoday (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)Alex

I've added that EP to the Discography section –Megaboz (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to this, so hopefully I don't mess it up.  The discography links are just linking back to the top of the page instead of going somewhere.  I suggest we either remove the link as an option, or make it actually go to the album itself.  Also, I must question the naming of these.  The album "We're Growing Up" was technically her first, and therefore her debut.  The self-titled album was the first record she produced after signing to Columbia.  Does that mean "We're Growing Up" shouldn't be counted as her "debut" as it was her first full album? --Grapevine11 (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Introduction[edit]

Really? The introduction is "Brandi Carlile (born June 1, 1981) is an American alternative country and folk rock singer-songwriter[1] who, in 2005, was featured on the Rolling Stone list of '10 Artists to Watch in 2005'"? Really? Artist to watch in 2005? Someone more gifted than me at writing needs to change that, because that makes her sound like a has been! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slothario (talkcontribs) 05:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

The lead needs a major rewrite as it is too long, too promotional, contains too many details and violates WP:LEAD. I'm adding a tag to the article.-- KeithbobTalk 23:19, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Undue Weight[edit]

The section on Charity Activities, is about 40% of the article and gives undue weight. I'm going to cut it back significantly unless there are clear objections base on policy.-- KeithbobTalk 22:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)