# Talk:Brazilian real

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## Exchange Rate

I have removed the note about the exchange rate of the Real being 3 to 1 (dollar). Since this is always fluctuating, Wikipedia is not the place to list that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quase (talkcontribs) 02:12, 14 March 2005‎

## Capitalization

It is standard use for Brazilian currencies to be capitalized. I suppose that is why Brazilian currencies are capitalized all over. In the context, the reference is not as if to say "this would cost X real" (in which case it would be lowercased), but rather to say something like "the Real is the currency of Brazil". That's not expressing value, but rather referring to the currency by its "name", in which case it is capitalized, as if it were a proper noun (and I suppose it is..). Regards, Redux 03:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

An honestly held opinion, I'm sure, but absolutely out of line with general English-language practice for currencies. See United States dollar, euro, pound sterling. Any reason Brazil should be an exception? Hajor 19:23, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Nope. If it's wrong in terms of style (or grammar?), it should be fixed. Regards, Redux 05:30, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, User:Gene Nygaard, reader of talk pages. Hajor 13:49, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

## Brazilian dollar

This is probably as good a place as any. Twice now I've deleted a reference to the "Brazilian dollar" from the dollar article. wth? Brazil never used dollars, did it? Hajor 13:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Never. No "Brazilian dollar" ever existed. Any reference to that "currency" is either wrong or vandalism. Regards, Redux 16:51, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. Seeing the edit a second time pushed my doubt level over the edge, but now I'll continue reverting if the anon comes back. Another question (this one's just idle curiosity): are prices always specified as "R$", or is the "$" ever used on its own? Hajor 17:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. As for your question, in Brazil it is common use to have prices specified "R$". There are rare instances where you can find the "$" all alone (but in unofficial places, since the legal form is "R$"), it would be understood, but that's very, very rare. Regards, Redux 21:36, 11 May 2005 (UTC) Splendid. Thanks again. Hajor 22:18, 11 May 2005 (UTC) Jpmo22 21:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC) Please, brazilian real use $\mathrm{S}\!\!\!\Vert$(Cifrão) not$ (Dollar Sign) we should do something about that.
Just to add a link about the Cifrão sign, from the Brazilian Central Bank website: http://www.bcb.gov.br/?MCIFRAO. 200.155.199.149 01:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

## Meaning: "real" vs. "royal"

This must be relevant: "real" in portuguese can mean both "real" or "royal". Maybe the latter is the meaning of the currency's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormwatch (talkcontribs) 20:54, 17 May 2005‎

Not really that relevant, at least for the article. It's the currency name, and as such it would not be translated (like the "peso", for instance). Besides, the distinction is not clear in the minds of Brazilians, meaning that, if enquired about this, most wouldn't be sure. Finally, in terms of history, if we considered what the government was thinking, you could say that both senses have applied. Real has now been the Brazilian currency twice. The first time around (1822 - 1942), you could say that it meant mainly "royal", since it was the currency from the times of the monarchy. The second time around (1994 - present), it's leaning more towards "real", since it was implemented to control inflation and stabilize the economy, and I remember someone saying that they wanted to have a "real" currency, with "real" values established. But I reiterate that this is all mainly retorical, since, as I've said, this is not clear in the country, because when saying "Real" people are just referring to the currency, not evoking some sort of national agenda. Regards, Redux 04:00, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
If it is a name, and as such it would not be translated, then why it was in the article? [The real (meaning "royal"... etc]. So, perhaps it is better to either remove the translation altogether or include both meanings [The real (meaning both "royal" and "real",...]. 80.101.122.48 (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

## Historical Real vs. present-day Real

This article deals with both Brazilian currencies, which are in fact distinct entities. Shouldn't the article be split in two? Rsnetto74 18:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Only if there should be a need for that,meaning, if there were so much information on each time period that this article started to be too long. This is an instance where one, same country used a particular name for its currency in two separate timeframes, albeit each time with different regulations, so as long as the article isn't too long, we should keep it unified. Redux 20:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I support the split of the article for historical reasons, as both currencies are not otherwise related, except for their names. The first currency was also represented differently (R1:000$000 instead of R$1.000.000,00 for the million) and the plural form was different (réis instead of reais, which is a neologism). jggouvea 02:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I also support the split. I think there should be an article for each ISO code. The first Brazilian real doesn't have a code, but it should. Also, the two templates would have several differences. 200.111.44.186 (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, split. Wikipedia articles are about concepts, not words. The two currencies are different things (separated by 50 years of turbulent monetary history and a factor of 2.75 sextillion in value!), with different coins and banknotes, so they should have separate articles. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

## Fair use rationale for Image:20real.jpg

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BetacommandBot 19:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking into it. Thanks. Redux 21:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

## Inflation

Currently the source is this. I don't understand the table, nor can I find 3.14% in it. Can somebody fix it? Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to the board at the top of the article. Yes, I agree. I have actually made an invertion: R$100 banknotes are the ones rarely used in daily circulation, whereas R$1 banknotes are commonly used. That tends to change, however, since R$1 banknotes have been discontinued by the Central Bank and will eventually disappear from circulation. Redux (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC) As of 2010, the 1 real banknote is rarely seen around here (Campinas, São Paulo). Pity, I liked the color... All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 01:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC) ## 100 reais banknote Hi, I am Brazilian and I work at a bank. The 100 reais banknote was never discontinued and it looks ludicrous to say so — even more in 1997 —, considering that the currency is depreciating over time. Perhaps the person who wrote this made a mistake due to real using the comma instead of a period to separate centavos from reais. I have seen brand new packs of 100 reais from the BC this week coming to my branch. Also, this page of the BCB website shows that there are 214.000.000 million of such banknotes in circulation . jggouvea (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC) ## Note about decimal separators I am removing the part in the introduction about commas and periods as decimal/thousands separators. That seems to reflect a biased assumption as to where the reader is coming from. I don't see such a note of clarification on the U.S. Dollar's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.75.54 (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC) ## In the past • 1000 Reis = 1 Milreis • 100 Centavos = 1 Cruzeiro Böri (talk) 11:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC) The above statements need clarification: 1000 Réis was indeed the same as 1 Mil-réis (=1 Thousand-Réis). As for the 100 Centavos, it depends: • 100 centavos de Cruzeiro = 1 Cruzeiro • 100 centavos de Cruzado = 1 Cruzado • 100 centavos de Real = 1 Real That is to say, all Brazilian monetary units have historically been divided in cêntimos (or centavos). --capmo 22:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC) ## 10 platic note & General article Improvement Could someone write something about the polymer 10 reais note being replaced non officially by the government? I tried to do it by myself but I wasn't able to find a way to include the information in the article, preserving the style... Basically, those notes started to disappear from market some years ago, probably because the notes started to loose color, including the red dot in the middle of the transparent circle. Also, some ATMs and Vending Machines had problems with those notes. Nowadays we only see standard notes... There is no official report from Brazilian Government, but you can find several people asking where those notes are on forums, there are people on "Brazilian Ebay" (Mercado Livre) selling those notes for up to R$200,00... A good source to begin with (including the words of bank employee - in Portuguese): http://www.sidneyrezende.com/noticia/41811+onde+estao+as+notas+de+10+reais+de+plastico

Also, wouldn't be good to include pictures from older notes and from the coins in the article? For example, the Polymer 10 reais note section cites parts of the note that you can only understand while observing one...