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[edit] Nitpicking wording

Not to seem pretension, but reading this sounds like he lost his first fight.

"He lost his first fight to Frank Mir"

Could it be changed to something like "His first loss was to Frank Mir,"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.56.11 (talk) 21:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Too much focus on Wrestling?

This bio contains material not actually related to Lesnar's life, but rather events in his WWE career.

The picture should also reflect his current job. He has NOT been pro wrestler for years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.46.132 (talk) 06:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, if anyone can find a good mma-related pic that isn't copyrighted (Zuffa can oft be really strict with copyrighting) then please replace the current main pic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.58.208 (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely agree on all counts. This page needs less pro wrestling information and a current photo of him ASAP. EvolutionarySleeper (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. He fights for real now. SChaos1701 (talk) 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm new to this kind of thing on Wikipedia, but I want to help with the whole Lesnar picture thing. Here is a URL to a image. Hope it helps. (http://www.coffeedrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/brock-lesnar-heavyweight-champion.jpg.) ~AdamJones2010~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamJones2010 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] UFC title shot

"the victory over Heath Herring at UFC 87 in August, and the stage is set for what will most certainly be one of the most highly-anticipated heavyweight title fights in history." UFC.com Highly-anticipated heavyweight title fights, of this year yes! But in history??? Any real fan will most likely say that a battle of Fedor Emelianenko vs. Randy Couture will most certainly be one of the most highly-anticipated heavyweight fights in history! "The victory over Heath Herring at UFC 87" Herring is a good fighter but in all reality who cares? That was one win, how about the bigger loss to Mir? Mir beat him in 30 sec!! Can Lesnar or the UFC say anything about that?--EHDI5YS (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestions about how to improve the article, or are you just using up your supply of question marks? Darrenhusted (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Darren, this title bout has set the keyboard-warriors in overdrive. There are strong opinions about the whole Fedor/Randy/Nog/Lesner thing, so be prepared for a lot of this. IMO the wording does not need to be changed, Lesner v Couture will sell more PPV than the hypothetical Couture vs Fedor - but even if it didn't, the wording doesn't claim to be #1. Wording = fine Disco (talk) 00:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

brock has not asked for any easy fight,lets not forget heath has way more mma back ground same with mir and couture.give the guy some more time in mma before makeing your mind up.dont count brock out with some more tranning we will see how he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.254.22.50 (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fact Check

"He played for the Minnesota Vikings, before being cut from the team for no-showing at practices due to injuries.[10]"

No where in that article does it give the reason why the Vikings cut him. It sort of hinted he wasn't quite good enough - definitely didn't mention cutting practice Disco (talk) 06:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I remember this story from back in '04 and he just simply didn't have it. I took a look in the article and there's nothing about no-showing or injuries; in fact in the article he admits he just wasn't good enough because he was getting in the game too late. He was a late cut, but was recommended for NFL Europe. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lesnar's Height

The UFC lists his height as 6'3", but Sherdog has it listed as 6'2". Anyone know which one is right? --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 14:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

IMDB has him at 6'2 1/2". Not sure that helps.[1]--Cube lurker (talk) 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

www.celebheights.com has Brock Lesnar listed as 6'2". http://www.celebheights.com/s/Brock-Lesnar-2764.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.163.98 (talk) 18:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact, a person's height varies up to one whole inch after waking up, since the space between the vertebrae shrink. Guess his height depends how well into the day he was measured.

[edit] WWE career section needs in-universe trimming

I'll take a look at it if I can find some time, but right now the WWE article reads more like a re-telling of events as though they were real vs. coverage of his career in Wrestling. -- TRTX T / C 14:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I removed the tag to change it from "in universe". How can a description of a sporting event be "in universe"? WWE Wrestling, while more of a performance than a competition, is not "fictional". Please do not re-add these kinds of tags to this article. Thanks :-) 216.229.65.141 (talk) 03:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
This part's a little bit tricky. Yes, wrestling is a performance art. But outside of adding the word "character" to each name or the phrase "in the storyline" to just about every sentence how are you going to do this? It'll get old pretty quick. Can we just accept the idea that the large majority of the people reading wrestling articles understand it's a work? - Ratbas (talk) 20:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Youngest champion in WWE history

Does wikipedia not count WCW title reigns? Big Show held the WCW title (now owned by WWE) as The Giant when he was a year younger than Lesnar was when he held the WWE title. Wouldn't that make The Giant the youngest champion in WWE history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.250.255 (talk) 11:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Where does it say that? All I see is "youngest WWE Champion in history" in the lead, and "Lesnar, at age 25, was the then-youngest WWE Champion ever" in the Main event status (2002–2003) section. Which is true as it's talking about the WWE Championship there. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Randy Orton's article says, "In 2004, Orton became the youngest World Heavyweight Champion, when he won the title at the age of twenty-four." Is this a different title than the one Lesnar held? 69.215.136.166 (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE). Because WWE has three brands, SmackDown, Raw and ECW they have numerous titles. The WWE Championship is currently on the SmackDown brand, and the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) is on the Raw brand. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 13:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Guy with 1 leg

i swear for a time lesnar and angle teamed up with this weird guy with 1 leg and he had some kind of connection with bishoff. Does any one else remember this and can they please put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TNArules (talk • contribs) 20:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Zach Gowen probably, but I really don't think that it's notable. Only notable storylines/feuds etc get added to wrestling bios to control the length of them. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MMA

There are two Mixed Martial Arts sections, one in career and the other in championships and accomplishments... They're cant be two of the same, but there... has to be here? What to do, lol? RandySavageFTW (talk) 00:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] MMA record

Should Brock Lesnar's MMA record show his future bout against Frank Mir the way that Mir's record does? jhanCRUSH (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

isnt his next fight is vs Frank Mir maybe u already can put it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.111.75.196 (talk) 13:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Main Picture

Should the main picture in this article be changed to reflect that he is no longer a professional wrestler, but a mixed martial artist?DubYou (talk) 01:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Get a free use image if him at an MMA event and I'll be right behind you. In addition, I've seen on The Rock's page that the wrestling infobox has been moved from his bio infobox to just the pro-wrestling section. Considering Lesnar is currently a mixed martial artist and no longer a wrestler, should Lesnar not have a pro-wrestling infobox in the relevent section. Preferably with the current image once a new one is found. Tony2Times (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely agree EvolutionarySleeper (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Next Fight

Many MMA fighters have their next fight listed under MMA record. I believe Brock is scheduled to fight at UFC 100 if someone will add that. 64.141.133.22 (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reach?

It Says his reach is 81 in, that can't be right, or is reach a different measurement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.125.75.63 (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Reach is wingspan basically... it's usually near your height but some people have longer arms and it's a big advantage in boxing/mma. Lesnar's one of those folks Froo (talk) 14:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] UFC Interm Heavyweight Championship

Hey per stipulation of the match at UFC 100 BOTH the UFC Heavyweight and Interm Heavyweight were on the line so Lesner should have the Interm Heavyweight Championship under accomplishments as he was the last one as of tomight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 05:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Interim means temporary or not intended to last long. It was a championship that spun out of the UFC Heavyweight Championship and has now been reintigrated back into it so it doesn't exist anymore, it's merely part of his continuing reign. Tony2Times (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Mabey it was a temp title but it was a title so it should go under Brocks list of Reigns because If Mir got a reign while champ then Lesner also got a reign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. That's not how it works. SChaos1701 (talk) 02:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does he won the title unifying them therefore he was a Interim Heavyweight Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 04:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

This isn't pro-wrestling. SChaos1701 (talk) 07:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Cheap shot...--UnquestionableTruth-- 10:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
There's a reason I don't watch it anymore.SChaos1701 (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
No titles were unified. The interim UFC Heavyweight title was just what it was, an interim title used in the place of the official UFC Heavyweight title which left with Couture. UFC had to recognize a champion, which is why an interim or temporary champion was needed until Couture returned. After Lesnar defeated Couture and became the UFC Heavyweight Champion, they weren't going to take Mir's recognition away just because the UFC Heavyweight title had returned, so the match was made to see who would be the rightful heavyweight champion within the UFC. Think of the match as actually being for the UFC Heavyweight title. Lesner is not the interim champion AND the UFC Heavyweight Champion, he simply defended his title, and remained the UFC Heavyweight Champion. Had Mir won the match instead of Lesnar, Mir would have been the new UFC Heavyweight Champion, not the UFC Heavyweight Champion AND interim champion. The need for an iterim champion left with the return of the UFC Heavyweight Champion. --UnquestionableTruth-- 04:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed that part in the fight record section notes for UFC 100. When a title holder and interim title holder meet, it's considered a title defense if the champion wins. Not a "unification" win. That's only used when two seperate, non-interim titles are combined from a win i.e. PRIDE and UFC title unification wins by Rampage Jackson (LHW) & Anderson Silva (MW). 02:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.68.250 (talk)

After thinking about it and how it is treated in other articles, I agree. Unfortunately, the pro wrestling fans keep changing it to fit their style which is no bueno. SChaos1701 (talk) 21:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dirk Lesnar

Brock Lesnar has now had a son with Rena, he was born around the start of June. I have edited Rena's page to reflect this but am unable to do this on Brock's page. Please could someone do this? Martin s hall (talk) 16:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable, verifiable source? If so, I will add it with a cite for you. Bmg916Speak 16:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

See the article for Rena Lesnar. I don't know whether you consider the source to be reliable enough, but I have read other articles which mention "Dirk Lesnar" so it is definitely true. Martin s hall (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It seems as if someone has added it citing a Heyman Hustle blog as the source, with the son's name actually being Turk. Bmg916Speak 15:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] wwe

is it really necessary to re-tell the events of every one of his wwe matches? it's a it monotonous. the article doesn't retell his college wrestling matches, so what gives? i mean, the wwe matches aren't even real sporting events. this was obviously written by some wwe fanboy with nothing better to do, and it makes this article suck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk) 14:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually considering he was wrestling 4 times a week for 3 years with WWE this really doesn't re-tell the events of every one of his 325 WWE matches, just the important ones. It does re-tell the events of every one of his MMA matches though, yet no accusations of some UFC fanboy with nothing better do making this article suck. Tony2Times (talk) 00:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
This article uses the standard format of any wrestling bio. Just because you don't pro wrestling doesn't mean it's not notable or deserves mention. IN addition, finding sources for pro wrestling is a fairly easy task. College/amateur wrestling not so much. If you do have source that goes more in-depth of his amateur career then my all means add it and expand the section. It would improve the article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Undisputed Champion

Hey should it be noted that Brock Lenser is the only man in professional sports to be Undisputed WWE champion, he was the last official undisputed till it became disputed, and the Current Undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 05:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia?--UnquestionableTruth-- 06:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Well will it be put in?


Only man to be undisputed champ in WWE? Besides Jericho, HHH, Hogan, The Rock and Undertaker?: guest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.85.172 (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I ment that He was the only man who held both the Undisputed WWE Championship and Undisputed UFC Championship. I diddnt mean that he was the only Undisputed WWE Champ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.148.26.175 (talk) 09:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Undisputed is a misnomer. He's just the UFC Heavyweight Champion. Every champion is announced as the Undisputed Champion in their weight class. It's just a way of hyping a fighter. SChaos1701 (talk) 07:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Amateur vs Pro Wrestling

The article introduction, and especially the accomplishments section keeps mixing his legitimate fighting career with pro wrestling. His accomplishments in sports and show business should be kept separate. 77.49.219.82 (talk) 06:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Its the standard format for all related articles. --UnquestionableTruth-- 08:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
They're listed under separate headers in the C&A section and in separate paragraphs in the lead. I really don't see a problem. It's made clear pro wrestling is scripted and MMA is real. If it implied they were both "real" then I could see a problem. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] brock lesnar was not an undefeated state champ his senior year

Brock may have been undefeated going into the state tourney (I don't recall his record). He won his first match and lost in the quarter-finals to Eric Porisch of Flandreau, came back through the wrestlebacks and beat Porisch for 3rd place at 189. I was there, I wrestled for Flandreau that year and I watched both matches. The current page even has a reference to an article with a Brock interview. I clicked on the reference and read the entire article, at no point does he claim to have been an undefeated state champ. There is actually an interview somewhere I came across that he claims never winning a state championship was a motivating force in his life.

at1998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by At1998 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PPV

What is that? It's used but not defined in this article. 68.39.124.195 (talk) 03:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Pay-per-view--UnquestionableTruth-- 03:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

Lesnar's Nickname is "The Juggernaut" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.170.241 (talk) 18:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Source? --aktsu (t / c) 23:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No source because it's not true. Brock Lesnar has numerous FAN given nicknames, but none of them are official or used by Lesnar or the UFC. So "The Juggernaut" is about as official as "The Vanilla Gorilla". 76.14.68.250 (talk) 08:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New pic

Can we please change the picture? He has not been a pro wrestler for 4 years.

How's this?

http://www.yorkblog.com/mma/BrockLesnar.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by XPheeNx (talk • contribs) 14:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

  • That looks copyrighted. We need a free image. --Drr-darkomen (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chronology is wrong

It should go:

National Football League (2004–2005) Lawsuit New Japan Pro Wrestling (2005–2006)

But that order is reversed right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.112.112 (talk) 06:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Illness

According to The New Zealand Medical Journal, one of the lesser known but most life-threatening gastrointestinal side effects of steroids is the perforation of colonic diverticula,(Diverticulitis) which may occur in about 2.7% of patients and carries a mortality risk of 27–100%. So does this mean Lesnar took steroids? You decide.

If you had read the article instead of just reading sportsbybrooks you would have seen that it's talking about corticosteroids (for medical use), which are not the same as anabolic steroids (for performance enhancing). (pinchet (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC))

Following the links (114) backwards, no one attributable ever says "career-ending" or "career-threatening". It appears once in a headline...which then is not supported by the story content that goes with it. Another case, apparently of lazy or deliberately exaggerated headline writting. Also, the portions at the bottom and at the end of his Career section say pretty much the same thing.Senor Vergara (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I just read this article, in which Dana White is quoted as saying, "There's a possibility Lesnar will never fight again..." I of course hope that is not true and wish Mr. Lesnar a speedy and complete recovery, but perhaps this source could be used to cite such claims? Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 22:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New pic #2

How about this one?

It is not copyrighted:

http://fouledout.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/brock-lesnar.jpg

XPheeNx (talk) 12:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC) xPheeNx

i think we should add that picture since it is up to date and i am a lesnar fan and he is a good fighter--DZ987 (talk) 01:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If you were a true MMA fan you would know that Brock Lesnar is a horrible fighter and he never deserved his title shot. Laying on your opponent and delivering two inch punches was effective on Frank Mir, but it's hardly a fighting style. Or wait maybe it is, I believe it's called "laying and praying"--Brett.thomas29.97 (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

This isn't to debate whether or not he is a good fighter or not. If you were a true MMA fan, you would realize he wasn't 'laying and praying'. It's part of the game. What do you want him to do? Stand up and strike against a fighter that is miles ahead of him in stand-up? Oh please. He went to the part where he had an advantage and that was the ground. He didn't just sit there and do nothing. He advanced his position and EASILY imposed his will. You're just another one of those kids that is against him because he dominated your favourite fighter which is probably Frank Mir. You mad because he's the champ? You mad bro??? You mad? Get out of here, this is to discuss the page, not for your petty little Frank Mir fanboy remarks, child.

XPheeNx (talk) 08:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

pwn, although you couldve plainly said, WIKIPEDIA ISNT MEANT TO DISCUSS THE SUBJECT OF THE ARTICLE BUT ON HOW TO IMPROVE AN ARTICLE ITSELF †Bloodpack† 10:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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