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- 1 Genre
- 2 Trivia Section
- 3 Chutney Ferret
- 4 Bryan Adams photography
- 5 Middle Name
- 6 Bryan Adams being English-Canadian
- 7 Thank you for this great article...
- 8 Album "11"
- 9 Bryan Adams videography
- 10 Bryan Adams Record Sales
- 11 Associated acts
- 12 the introduction
- 13 Genre
- 14 2006 Juno Award Speech
- 15 Now, or back then
- 16 GAs
- 17 Good Article Review — Failed
- 18 Record Label
- 19 BC Liberal Party campaign portraits for Premier Campbell, 2009 election
- 20 Vandalism
- 21 help!
- 22 Personal life
- 23 Religion
- 24 I think we should assume our readers can read and type
- 25 Birthplace
- 26 Billboard
- 27 Removal from Allmusic
- 28 Bryan Adams sounds like Don Henley
- 29 hatnote
- 30 Requested move
- 31 dvd de toulon 1995 de so far so good
I removed Classic Rock from the genre list, because it's a radio format, not a genre of music, and hard rock, because it seems a little ridiculous to call Bryan Adams hard rock. I'd keep soft rock and arena rock, but I'm not sure about pop rock. I guess he could fit into that category. Perhaps someone who has better knowledge of Bryan Adam's music could help out here, since I only know the songs on his Greatest Hits album.Bryan Adams in more than 30 years, has sold over 100 million copies around the world, including album and single —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Arena rock is probably the best describing genre for Adams music in general. Also soft rock, album-oriented rock, and hard rock should be mentioned. His album On a Day Like Today probably has a few pop rock songs on it, but in general I wouldn't say it is his genre. Pardy 07:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC).
- Isn't album oriented rock a radio format as well? Maybe rock n roll should be there as well? Daskill 18:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Why has the trivia section been re-added? You know how wikipedia frowns on trivia sections. I spent time integrating the trivia into main article and now it's back? Daskill 22:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- I take the responsibility for the name "Trivia", it was originally called "Personal life", but was in the same plot-form, and some of the facts were not about Adams personal life, so I renamed the session. But let's try to move the trivia-facts into the main text. Pardy 08:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC).
Now that isn't very polite, is it? Mornington 02:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hehe, that expression always makes me laugh. Daskill 00:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Bryan Adams photography
- Hi Badfan69. You can aupload pictures here, and add them to Bryan Adams wiki photography page here, but only if you are the copyrightholder of the pictures or they are for free use. Pardy 07:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC).
Bryan Adams being English-Canadian
I have recently been looking on his page for information on his new album and noticed it stated Canadian, Which is fine. I went on a couple of hours later to find it had been changed to English-Canadian, which I actually agree with.
Now it stated on the actual page that an English-Canadian is just an English speaking Canadian in general, which is being very "broad" so to speak, however it goes on to say something along the lines of its generally someone who was Canadian born but with English Ancestry. Now this in fact is true, as it actually states in his early life section that both his parents were born in England (ignoring the Maltese ancestory part which is also true). Now unless its something to do with the fact that he also has strong Maltese ancestory, I think that English-Canadian should replace simply Canadian, its much more specific and accurate. Mike Myers the actor is in the exact same position, hes even worthy of one of the six people pictured on the English-Canadian page. He too is Canadian born with English parents and it states it on the page that his parents were both born in Liverpool. Hes also got English-Canadian instead of simply Canadian under his nationality and hes even, like I said, worthy of one of the six people pictured on the English-Canadian page.
Now until someone responds to this comment and gives me a good reason why not, I am changing it back to English-Canadian as opposed to simply Canadian, and if anything he also deserves his picture on the English-Canadian page, he is a very respectable and dam good English-Canadian musician, and a great songwriter at that. TomKing1980 (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Although you raise some good points, I do not think he identifies himself as an English-Canadian. In various interviews in the U.S. over the years, he simply stated that he was Canadian. I would go with what he says as opposed to making things complicated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erdal0 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
It should state that he is an English/British - Canadian musician for three reasons. First of all, his parents are/were from England, when he was a kid, he spent some of his life growing up in England, plus he resides in England nowadays again. Norum 02:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for this great article...
When I was in High School and in College, I didn't like Bryan Adams's music very much. I was parochial in my music tastes, eschewing most of the mainstream music that I had grown up with. Instead, I favored the "alternative" music that was popular among teens and young adults. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that I began to remember some of his hits, and began to explore the Internet, finding out more about him. I have changed my position, and I'm now a big fan.
It isn't a big stretch for me -- as a young teenager, I enjoyed the music of many pop acts, including Billy Joel and Pink Floyd. I have always gravitated toward unique-sounding artists, especially those from Britain.
There isn't a lot of plain-old "rock" music that moves me. Most of what I listen to is synthesizer-driven. However, there is a visceral need that Adams satisfies. His songs are well-produced, which is something that I appreciate, but sound raw enough to be powerful.
Some of my favorites include Heaven, Summer of 69, It's Only Love, Cuts Like a Knife, Run to You, and Heat of the Night.
Again, thanks for this article. If I have anything to improve it with, I will, but right now I'm content to read and to enjoy.
I noticed that there was a duplication on the album info for 11. I reorganized the info and put it in sequence with his other album info. The intro to the article seems a bit scarce, but the lists of album rankings in each country seemed a bit out of place and redundant.
Bryan Adams videography
Can somebody help me find his music videos. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC) What does "Certified Gold in India" mean for Bare Bones? This statement should be removed. The citation leads to a deccan chronicle personal blog nothing to do with the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Bryan Adams Record Sales
I noticed in the intro of the page, it mentions BA has sold 65 million records. This is a hypothetical number and this fact should be removed unless someone can substaniate it. Michelle1 (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
i've noticed there are various edits going back and forth on the intro of this page note: there is no need to repeat information in the intro, when i follows in the next paragraph!Michelle1 (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Do anyone want to add another genre, if you want find a reliable source for it, don't just add it, wikipedia isn't the place for personnal opinions. Right now Rock, Rock N' Roll and Soft rock are the only genres in the infobox, no one remove them, they have a reliable source. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
2006 Juno Award Speech
"In his acceptance speech for his induction into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame at the 2006 Juno Awards, he named his long-time guitarist Keith Scott as his best friend. The two have been playing together for over 25 years."
I think this section should either be expanding upon, or completely removed because its irrelevant, in that acceptance speech (which you can view here) Keith is one of many, many people he thanks, like his family, the song writers, his record label, his management, and then his band, then his stage crew, and even User:Michelle1 herself (at least that’s who I think he means by Michelle), and then the fans themselves.
I doesn’t make sense to me to just single out Keith in this, he has even known his manager for longer (30 years).
I think if there really needs to be a section on his Juno 2006 award, it should mention during the acceptance speech he said "being here tonight is about the effort and time devoted to many people behind the scenes, not just the singer" and went on to thank pretty much everyone who helped him get to where he was. Silver007 (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Now, or back then
Good Article Review — Failed
The article has seen some good improvements since the last GAN, but there are still quite a few outstanding problems:
- The "Social Activist" section is plagued by one-line paragraphs and statements that are not chronologically ordered.
- Tons of grammar and WP:MoS breaches. A thorough copyedit is needed.
- There are a couple irrelevant sections. For example, "as a photographer" can be removed entirely. A brief and concise statement about his photography and social activism should be amalgamated into one section, titled something along the lines of "Work outside of music".
- The way the article is written it feels like everything is being relayed very bluntly. Information is presented without any flow or transition whatsoever.
Overall, there's still too much wrong with the article for it to be near GA-quality. I suggest a very thorough and in-depth rewrite, including outside help from copyeditors. NSR77 TC 21:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that Bryan Adams' record label is very tricky (post A&M). He calls himself "independent" now and runs his own company Badman that owns the recordings and licenses them to Polydor (UK), one of the major frontline labels of Universal Music UK. This is why the last two albums only carry the Polydor logo. Universal Music Canada is the first to "distribute" (i.e. release) the record, although the recording is NOT licenced by Badman to Universal Music Canada Inc. Instead it's licensed to UK affiliate Polydor, and Universal Music Canada is only the distributor for Canada. A true "Universal Music Canada" release would be copyrighted to them (or licensed to them directly if owned by another company such as badman). His official Youtube channel only lists "badman / polydor" under label. So I think his signing is with Polydor after all.
Because it received a large Europe wide release, I think that maybe he chooses to license to "Polydor" over "Universal Music Canada" because it's generally only the US and UK offices that have access to or can control global music/media releases (across all Universal companies and third party affiliates). Therefore as a "global" Canadian artist, he would need to have a deal with either a US or UK "international" company. This only reinforces that Polydor is his primary signing which grants him access to "Universal Music Group" companies (including Universal Music Canada) for worldwide distribution. I have added Polydor to the infobox Imperatore (talk) 00:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
BC Liberal Party campaign portraits for Premier Campbell, 2009 election
It was newsworthy and much hyped by the party that Bryan Adams was "pleased" to take the campaign portraits of Premier Campbell for use in the recent election.This marks the first and I think only time that a major Canadian recording artist has even halfway-endorsed a British Columbia political party in this way; similar may have happened at the national level and no doubt in Quebec there are precedents within the francophone musical community. Others like Nelly Furtado may have earlier in their careers supported the NDP, but I'm unaware of any similar endorsement by any other international recording artist or other celebrity of similar stature of British Columbia politicians of any stripe at this stage in their celebrity careers; Spirit of the West and other more locally-famous bands may have endorsed teh NDP or Greens in the past. I'll dig out a cite and come back and add mention of it to the 2000-present section.Skookum1 (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Mention of it is in this article The Hook, but there should be something more in the Sun or Province.Skookum1 (talk) 14:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno about that; he gets good critical reviews, has published books of his portraits, and was invited to photograph the Queen for a sitting because of his skills (not just because of his celebrity).Skookum1 (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Where are these "good critical reviews"? He also attracts criticism, for example: http://austin.decider.com/articles/everything-he-shoots-he-shoots-it-for-boobs-bryan,28645/
The fact that books have been published (for charity), is no measure of quality. As to being invited to photograph the Queen "because of his skills", please can you show sources that back up your claim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Looks like this page has had a lot of vandalism recently. Should it maybe be protected? I've noticed this text in the middle of the article:
"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz now i know my ABC's next time wont you sing with me"
which seems to have overwritten previous text, and I can't tell easily when it happened, and what the previous text was. Can anyone fix this?
- Yeah, this article seems to get with quite a lot of vandalism, but never in frequent-enough amounts for semi-protection to be granted. Anyways, I went back about a month or two in the article history and found the original text, which has now been restored. Thanks for noticing and pointing that error out. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted some edits..but i see now codeing all messed up!! Sorry guys any help pls!!
- I've restored it so that the interlink coding works again. I'm not exactly sure what it is that you did to produce all of that, but my advice would be to just remove the information line by line if necessary so that it doesn't happen again. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ok tks man!! I will do that next time..just odd when i preview it all was fine ..anywas tks for your fast help!!Buzzzsherman (talk) 03:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Where is it?
I noticed the absence of that, too. I recall a mid 1980s Rolling Stone (magazine) profile of him saying he had a girlfriend at his home in British Columbia. Forget her name. She wasn't a musician. I don't know of a source that says what became of her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I think we should assume our readers can read and type
Not long ago someone removed from this article the Distinguish tag which emphasised that this article was about Bryan Adams, not Ryan Adams. I thought that was a good move as I could see no point in it being there. Two editors have now insisted on putting it back. Frankly, I see no reason for it. If a reader cannot tell the difference between Bryan and Ryan, they wouldn't have been able to read the name Wikipedia, and then type Bryan to even get to this article. Someone wanting to find Ryan is NOT going to add a B to it by accident. The keys aren't even close together on a keyboard.
It clutters the start of the article. It treats our readers as illiterates. Just silly.
I Agree and unless there have been complaints on some kind confusion between the two, I think their fans know the difference. I've removed it and happy to discuss it further, if need be. Michelle1 (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The tag is not for people who can't type, it's for people who don't know the distinction. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ryan_Adams#Bryan_Adams Cdwillis would seem to suggest that it is required.Raygunfun (talk) 20:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, so not for people with literacy problems, but people with a hearing disability. Hmmmm. Still seems pretty silly to me. HiLo48 (talk) 20:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm... People with hearing problems and still so interested in the musicians? I guess it's conceivable, but... No, I don't think the tag is needed. Perhaps just a mention somewhere in the article, that the artists are not related in any way. A tag seems like overkill.Pike84 (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The article states Toronto, Ontario Canada, while the box at the right says Kingston, Ontario. I am pretty sure that Kingston is correct, and a 300km distance from Toronto is far enough away to warrant a distinction. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Chartbot keeps whining about not being able to repair references to Bryan Adams. It's whining correctly: if I go to Billboard and search for "Bryan Adams", I get no results. None of his albums or songs have entries there, either, so far as I can tell. We have apparently entered an alternate universe where Bryan Adams no longer existed. If anyone can find him on Billboard, let me know, and I will get his chart links repaired..—Kww(talk) 15:45, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Removal from Allmusic
What is needed here is a WP:SECONDARY source reporting on the absence of Adams from Allmusic. The guideline at WP:BLPSPS indicates that self-published sources cannot be used for controversial information about a living person. Allmusic talking about Adams on the Allmusic online forum is a self-published source, and not usable. There's also the problem of significance or importance to Adams: if the absence of Adams from Allmusic is not reported by a magazine or newspaper then it appears to be of little mainstream interest to his biography, and thus there is no reason for Wikipedia to talk about it. At any rate, let's wait for a magazine or news source to write about it. Binksternet (talk) 00:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- I think we can - and should - make an exception in this case, provided it is a legal issue that Adams is preventing from being discussed. It's definitely notable - that's not disputable: he's the only major artist to have all of his information removed from the site. Hg3300 (talk) 17:53, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
- While I see where you're coming from, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. And being that it's been a year since Adams' information has been removed from the site, I highly doubt that the media will report on it. It's "old news" to them. But to say it isn't "notable" just because the media hasn't mentioned it is rather ignorant. The media will report on whatever it damn well pleases, but it's not going to be something like this because it won't sell.
- Of course it's relevant! This stick-in-the-mud of an artist is the ONLY MAJOR ARTIST to have his information removed from the site (kind of a childish move, if you ask me). And I don't see how OFFICIAL comments from AMG's legal department cannot be used as references. They're OFFICIAL STATEMENTS from the mouth of Allmusic themselves! What more do you want? Right, you want stupid news sites, who are completely biased and don't always get information correct anyway.Hg3300 (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Bryan Adams sounds like Don Henley
"In 1996, Adams joined good friend & idol Don Henley (who he sounds like on most songs) on stage with a Duet at Live at Honors, Everybody Knows."
My point of removing the Ryan hatnote was, I doubt very much that people looking for Bryan would spell his name incorrectly. The Bryan/Brian Adams name is extremely popular, in fact there are many examples, an ice hockey player, a boxer/actor, a wrestler, a high school, and various other popular people in film world with the exact spelling of the name as the singer, and none of these people, with virtually the same spelling as Bryan, have a hatnotes on this article. Michelle1 (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- The reason for these hatnotes is not for those people who spell his name incorrectly, but those who search for Ryan Adams having confused the two names (as the hatnote suggests) - they are, after all, very similar. The hatnote in no way detracts from the article. Removing it does not improve the article one jot, so I say leave it. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- Are there that many confused people over this that it needs a hatnote? I would seriously give more credit to Ryan and Bryan's fans and people searching them out. I say we remove it, and give credit to people being intelligent enough to know the difference. If in the future we get a note on the talk page from someone saying they have a problem and really needed a hatnote, then we add it back. Fair? Michelle1 (talk) 23:06, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- The hatnote does not detract from the article in any way whatsoever. That you (and probably many others) do not feel that you are likely to confuse the two names does not mean that that is universally true. Wikipedia's readers will have a very wide range of knowledge indeed, and it is quite likely that someone who is not the devoted fan that you obviously are (given that the vast majority of your editing is to this and related articles) could very well confuse the two names. That is why the hatnote is there. I can see no valid reason to remove it.
- Whilst it may be true that there are other Bryan Adams, AFAICT none of them have Wikipedia articles thus there is no differentiating hatnote(s) required. Should anyone decide that one, some or all are noteworthy enough to warrant an article, then everything changes. However, this would be unlikely to be handled by hatnotes but by a disambiguation page. Even so that disambiguation page would still require the 'not to be confused with...' hatnote.
- Dear DieSwartzPunkt. If you read my post of the 30 March 2014, I explained that I felt both Ryan and Bryan's fans are intelligent enough not to need a hatnote. But since you pointed it out, its more likely that a hatnote would be needed on Ryan's than Bryan's page, especially when you read this: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/73812/ryan-adams-not-amused-by-name-game. (You might want to add that article to Ryan's page). In conclusion, I'm not sure I know who will mediate this debate, but as a final word, I believe the hatnote is not needed, as neither page has anyone complaining of confusion anywhere. Michelle1 (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Please learn to indent your posts correctly so that others can follow the logical flow (See WP:INDENT).
- Whether Bryan Adams's fans and Ryan Adams's fans are intelligent enough to do anything is a judgement call that neither you nor I are qualified to make. If you read my post, you would have seen that I had pointed out that this (or any) Wikipedia article is not aimed at a specific readership and must be accessible to all (including those who may be confused between the two performers - or even those who inadvertently miss out the 'B' when typing in the search box). What Ryan Adams thinks about the similarity of his name is mostly irrelevant to this discussion as we are not discussing the Ryan Adams article. The only issue is that if Ryan Adams himself genuinely believes that the similarity is a problem, then it underlines the necessity of the hatnote. You say that noone is currently complaining of confusion. Maybe the hatnotes are the reason why.
- Nobody mediates this debate unless specifically requested to do so. It is determined by concensus. If the majority of users think the hatnote should be there, then it stays. If, on the other hand, the majority think it serves no pupose, then it can be removed. So far it's 3 to 1 for retention (including the editor who reverted your deletion twice).
- So far in this thread, I have not seen any case that the deletion of the hatnote would improve the article. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- If you insist that this hatnote is necessary and that 'a hatnote is not aimed at a specific readership and must be accessible to all', then we should immediately add hatnotes for the wrestler, the hockey player, the Louisiana politician, the footballer, the admiral, the Scottish politician, the race walker, and the chairman of Northern Irish team Ards F.C., most of whom have pages on wikipedia, and all of whom have similar spellings. We will therefore have alleviated much of the confusion out in the world from people clicking on the singers page. If not, lets take the hatnote off, agreed? Michelle1 (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- So far in this thread, I have not seen any case that the deletion of the hatnote would improve the article. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
PLEASE LEARN TO INDENT YOU POST CORRECTLY SO THAT OTHERS CAN FOLLOW THE LOGICAL FLOW (See (WP:INDENT as you obviously have not done so).
Not agreed. Consensus is currently against you. Let's see what others think before you go berserk. However, that said, a disambiguation page would be the correct way to deal with multiple Bryan Adams. What do others think? DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- I had not appreciated that there were so many Bryan Adams. Yes, a disambiguation page is clearly the way to go, as someone entering "Bryan Adams" as a search without qualification could be searching for any of them. I also think that this page should be moved to Bryan Adams (musician). The hat note about the confusion with Ryan Adams should then be moved to the disambiguation page. Being an unregistered editor, I cannot formally propose an article move. If you agree with my proposal, perhaps I could indulge upon your co-operation to propose the move on my behalf. AdvTHANKSance. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Fairy nuf. That takes care of the disambig page. It seems that I failed to find it because it is not 'Bryan Adams' and didn't show up immediately. If this article is moved as suggested, then '(disambiguation)' can be dropped from the Bryan Adams disambig page name IAW policy (even though it is just a redirect). Should this article title change to reflect which Bryan Adams we are talking about? I believe that it should. At least things would then be consistent. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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