Talk:Buddhist initiation ritual

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Rename this article?[edit]

As this ceremony has multiple names in multiple countries, it seems to me that it would be more encyclopedic in nature for us to give this article an English name (like "Buddhist Initiation Ceremony" and then set up redirects so that Jukai/Sugye/whatever redirect to it. What do others think? Noraft (talk) 00:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


Misleading[edit]

I think as an article the information given is misleading in some aspects, it certinly gives the impression that Jukai is common, in fact it is not common in Japanese Zen, only monks generally take ordination, this article appears to be heavily imbalanced towards an American presentation of Jukai as it relates to Zen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.223.172 (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of non-topical material.[edit]

The line about Diamond Sangha's practice of jukai does not need mention of Robert Baker Aitken, because he is irrelevant to the article. The reverter's argument is that including this wikilink provides more information, and that's "what we are here for," but I submit that we are here to create encyclopedic content, and encyclopedias stay topical. Robert Baker Aitken is not known for anything related to jukai, any more than John Paul II is known for celebrating mass. If we bow to the idea that we should include little asides like the one I deleted, then every time an article mentions a movie, it should say "directed by," every time it mentions a company, it should say "founded by," and every time it mentions a person, it should say "married to" or "son/daughter of," or something else, because, as the reverter says, doing so "provides additional information, which is what we're here for." ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 10:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I've placed a talkback on your page when I made the above comment. Its been a week, and you've chosen not to respond. I'm going to revert the change now. If you wish to revert it back, please discuss here. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 16:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Initiation vs. Ordination[edit]

I don't think this ritual can properly be called an "ordination" even if it is called that in some particular traditions, because is isn't called that in all traditions. All ordinations are a kind of initiation, however not all initiations are ordinations. Also, this ceremony isn't just for the laity; monks go through it as well. I intend to revert the page back to the title "Buddhist Initiation Ritual" which more aptly describes it. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

If there is no discussion, I intend to move it back to its old title, "Buddhist Initiation Ritual".
11 days is plenty of time. Moving it now. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 17:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Initation Picture?[edit]

As it stands now, the article contains the initation ritual from a "Zen priest" who admitted to sexual misconduct and leads a shady business now of "selling enlightenment" ... It would be similar to putting a picture of Ted Haggard (who admitted to buying gay prostitutes) on a page that deals with baptism. I am looking for a new picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.54.166.186 (talk) 11:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)