Talk:Buenos Aires

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Its HDI[edit]

Side bar on this page says 0.876 while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Argentine_provinces_by_Human_Development_Index states 0.953. Also "The Buenos Aires Human Development Index (0.923 in 1998) is likewise high by international standards." is confusing the matter even further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.1.202 (talk) 06:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Lead image nominated for deletion[edit]

The lead image of this article, File:Expanded Buenos Aires Montage.JPG, is currently nominated for deletion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Expanded Buenos Aires Montage.JPG. You can take part in the discussion, and if you think the image should be deleted, you can try to provide a replacement for it, fixing the issues pointed in it. commons:Category:Buenos Aires and subcategories offer plenty of images related to the city MBelgrano (talk) 11:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

That racial diversity in the city says is not realistic, is subjective and unfounded. It is impossible to say that 80% is white because there is no survey on the matter. Sorry for my bad English. Greetings typicad--Tipicad (talk) 23:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC).


number of headings[edit]

Needs to be greatly reduced. LibStar (talk) 08:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Buenos Aires City Collage.png Nominated for Deletion[edit]

Image-x-generic.svg An image used in this article, File:Buenos Aires City Collage.png, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests December 2011
What should I do?

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Modifications to file have been carried out, no reason for deletion —Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC) ·

File:Puertoba.jpg Nominated for Deletion[edit]

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Too many images?[edit]

Does this article have way too many images or is it my imagination? Outside of the Infobox, there are 70 images. As a comparison, Santiago has 45, Rio de Janeiro 42, Madrid 65, and Paris 39. -- Alexf(talk) 17:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like nobody seems to care about this issue after two weeks w/o comments. Let's give it some more time then start removing images. It has way too many and we do not want to overload the article with images. -- Alexf(talk) 21:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I particularly think it's OK just like this. I check the article from time to time and I'm impressed at the speed of change. Everything is updated so fast... it's way better than the Spanish version. With regard to the images, maybe a few could be deleted, but it doesn't interfere with the info people read, they're all perfectly placed, and, as I said before, the article is a lot better and much more complete than the Spanish version, and one of the reasons is the quantity of images. It's a beautiful article, great work, I congrulate every person taking part in this. That's my opinion, most of the images can't be left out, that would be far from making things better. Sorry for my bad english!--Luuchoo93 (talk) 09:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Approximately 12 additional images (+~20%) in the last 7 days, its out of balance!! - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 20:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I still contend there are way too many. Comparing this to es:wp has nothing to do with the issue. Comparing it to similar articles (as I did above) and following established procedures: MOS:IMAGES, WP:IUP, WP:MONTAGE, WP:IDD, is the important thing. -- Alexf(talk) 20:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
In the Paris article there is aproximatelly twice as much text and half the images - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Achille-mauzan-geniol.jpg[edit]

Argentine cultural icon → File:Achille-mauzan-geniol.jpg by Lucien-Achille Mauzan, father of the Argentine Poster, is in danger of being eliminated by a fellow wikipedian claiming that there are other alternatives, which is incorrect, the other alternative is a “distorted replica” → The Head of Geniol.jpg that does not convey the true cultural significance, and furthermore, image in question “meets all” of WP:NFCC 10 criterias requested for non-free content use. — Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 05:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

And who said that it has to be a Geniol advertisment? It can be any image related to the culture of Buenos Aires, and we have several free ones available, even right now in the section. The image may be acceptable in an article about Geniol, but not in a broad and unspecific article section as a "culture in...". Cambalachero (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
With all due respects, It seems yore not well informed, Achille Mauzan, is the creator of hundreds of astonishing posters known troughout the world. He studied art in France during the avant-garde of modern advertising era. He moved to Italy at 22, where he had immense success and remained there for nearly 20 years, before moving to Argentina in 1927. There he became known as the "father of the advertising poster." His ability to create powerful, salient images was uncanny, and such Mauzan characters as the «Geniol» man are still part of Argentine popular culture today. Achille Mauzan in those days could be compared to Andy Warhol, John Lennon or Bob Marley of late! Eliminating this historic image is eliminating a bit of culture of the Argentinean society, the elements of the foundation for a nation to be great - punto y aparte, so come on dude, get real.
The image in question is there with special permission, if it leaves the article it goes into the trash, and the world will be a little less informed of the Argentine Culture - ♥ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 06:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
If you want to keep the file, you may write the missing article Geniol and use it there. Cambalachero (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Why do you keep hiding images in question?! This is the talk page and they are allowed for commentary, if you like once discussion has ended you may hide images!
Presently i don't have time to write an article about Geniol, and this has nothing to do with the product Geniol and i don't personally take «over-the-counter drugs», this is about a piece of our culture and history, kinda of hiding Coca Cola from a United States related article - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Then save a copy of the image to your computer, and upload it again when you write that article. Non-free images may only be shown in articles, not in talk pages; here they can be linked but not shown. See WP:NFCC, which explicit about that, item 9. This image fails the item 1: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". Despite the significance of Geniol, it is not the single and only cultural production of Buenos Aires, not by a long shot. There are several other ones, and many may be shown with free images. Besides, giving this advertisment the same cultural significance of the mate or the tango is an absolute nonsense. Please step back and read what you actually wrote. Are you really being serious? Cambalachero (talk) 14:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey Cambalachero, now i'm a little disappointed, what is this?? → Cambalachero and Belgrano, Please explain!! - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I got tired of people who thought that the name was about the ship, and reacting about it at completely unrelated places, so I requested an account rename, and choose an unspecific username this time. There's nothing hidden about it, there is a disclaimer in my userpage, at the top and right. Cambalachero (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Naaah!, you've crossed the line, permanent blocking and banned from Spanish Wikipedia, those are serious allegations, and what makes you think you won't do it again here.
I tell you what, let's wait for the participation of other fellow Wikipedians regarding this issue, in the mean time i'll put back the image, maybe smaller sized, if it leaves the article it goes into the trash along with a bit more of our culture, - Greetings - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
That was 3 years ago. Wikipedia in English has other users and other rules, and I have never been blocked here. Neither in Commons, where I am administrator. Don't try to appeal to that for a tu quoque argument regarding the file under discussion Cambalachero (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok Cambalachero, we're both English speaking argentines, if i'm not mistaken, i believe you're from Villa Devoto, my granparents are from there, i'm from C.J. Palomar and hang around there and in Hurlingham, same two rail lines tied us up, i've seen your collaborations and they are dependable, you're devoted and an asset to Wikipedia, though you've got to fix you're standing in the Spanish Wikipedia, so lets work together on this, let me study Art Deco artist, advertiser and scupltor Achille Mauzans work in Argentina, and his disciples like Gino Boccasile and others that have left an imprint and enriched the argentine culture, they have hundreds of posters, though Geniol really stands out, and like i've said, they where like rock stars of the graphic world of those days, so in the mean time i suggest leaving image until dispute is settled - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

Over the past few months, the climate box colours for the precipitation keep being changed from green to blue and occasionally becomes completely deleted and replaced by a climate chart. My proposal is that the precipitation colours should be turned to green. I am okay with the current temperature colour. The reasons are

  1. It reduces the blending of the blue colours from humidity/precip days
  2. It creates a chilly/cloudy impression of the climate (blue colours makes it appear it has a lot of precipitation, meaning it looks like its climate is cloudy and unsettled throughout the year if I removed the sunshine data), especially for a climate that is mild throughout the year (high yearly average).

Should the precipitation colours be turned to green for this climate box? Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Conurbation[edit]

A conurbation includes the population of that area, with the main city too. I live in Argentina, and I know what I say. Buenos Aires city has 3 million habitants aprox., and the Greater Buenos Aires, 12 million. Total = 15 Aprox. Why did you change what I wrote before??. If you say that BsAs. has the third biggest conurbation in Latin America is because you count de 3 million of the capital, and the 12 of the suburbs. If not, is not the 3rd conurbation. You must be well informed. Thanks. Matías. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.29.155.63 (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)