Talk:Bugs Bunny/Archive 2

New Versions To Bugs Bunny

Bugs bunny is my idol. There isn't another cartoon that even matches up to bugs bunny. What i find completely revulting is the fact that people think they can bring bugsy back to life with new CRAPY versions. It is a disgrace to the bugs bunny name. Some people might like the new “movies”, but if they truly new bugs bunny they would say “ OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?” The back in action movie … crap . Space Jam I’ll be a little nicer but everything else should be ripped up, stepped on, and be throne into a fire!

Star Wars spoof

'Can anyone remember the name of the Bugs Bunny/WB characters movie-length feature, aired sometime in the 1980s, that opened Star Wars style?

The opening titles started out:

"A long, long, long, long,

long, long, long, long,"

(there were 48 "long"s)

" time ago, in a galaxy

far, far, far, far, far,

far, far, far, far, far,"

(there were 50 "far"s)

"away"

GBC 07:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Mark Farinas?

What’s the significance of Mark Farinas drawing of bugs? There are plenty of images on bugs in the article without having to resort to poorly drawn ‘fanart’

First True Appearance

User:Mrsanitazier insists that Elmer's Pet Rabbit is the first true appearance of Bugs Bunny. I'm not sure why he insists this is the case, since A Wild Hare contains ALL the elements of Bugs' character: appearance, mannerisms, voice, catch-phrase and is well-recognized in the animation historian community as his first true appearance. Elmer's Pet Rabbit may be the first to formally name the character but that's the only thing it did. Bugs actually reverts to a prototype voice and mannerisms in this short (essentially the same character from the earlier Chuck Jones' Elmer's Candid Camera with an updated visual appearance). I'm not going to undo the edit until we resolve this mini-edit war here. Jeff schiller 15:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, after waiting for four days with nothing from Mrsanitazier, I'm reverting his edits. Jeff schiller 04:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

More on Bugs' First Appearance

This is ridiculous. User:Mrsanitazier made his edits again without discussion or even providing arguments. I'm reverting again. He then removed information about the Bugs prototypes. There is documented (bugs bunny has a skanky wife named Lola bunny, which is why he was banned in some countries -- WHITE POWER!) evidence that Animation historians accept A Wild Hare as the first true appearance of Bugs Bunny. What do you have?

Daffy Duck, Sylvester (Looney Tunes) and Tweety Bird didn't get their names until a few shorts in, should we ignore their universally accepted first appearances? And what about the Goofy Gophers, Marvin The Martian, Michigan J Frog? They NEVER formally received names in the original theatrical shorts, so do they not have a first appearance?!?

Please clear up why you keep insisting that Elmer's Pet Rabbit is the first appearance of Bugs. Jeff schiller 21:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with User:Mrsanitazier that Elmer's Pet Rabbit is the first true apperance of Bugs because it looked and sounded so much like him. So what if "Eh.. What's up doc?" wasn't in it and he had yellow gloves on insted of white? Listen, as soon as I saw Elmer's Pet Rabbit, I said to my dog "Oh my god, that's Bugs!" This is like arguing about how many eyes a person has? Elmer's Pet Rabbit is Bugs' first apperance and that should be final.--Klaus 20:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Elmer's Candid Camera the first apperance of Bugs Bunny because Happy Rabbit is just like Bugs Bunny except for the laugh so I'm asking is it or is it not and I'm been changing it to stating the Elmer's Candind Camera is Bugs Bunny's debut. So answer this puzzle. -User: Mrsanitazier

• The books on the subject, as well as the DVD series, consider Wild Hare to be the first true Bugs Bunny cartoon. Elmer's Candid Camera is almost there. Elmer is very similar. Bugs has a different voice and face (like a stereotypical rube), along with that Woody-Woodpecker-like laugh. Baseball Bugs 20:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting theory Baseball Bugs but apparently according to the Warner Bros. Alumni Bugs Bunny first appeared (evolved or not) in Porky's Hare Hunt despite the thory of having a prototype it is no prototype the hare is indeed Bugs . i'm using the quote from the 50th anniversary special where Friz Freleng states that Bugs orignally was screwy leading to a clip of Porky's Hare Hunt.

MrJanitor1 1:06 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Not my theory, but that of the authors on the subject. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Rabbit removal

I am the one who put forth the suggestion that the article "Happy Rabbit" be removed, but part and parcel of that suggestion was the revising of this article to remove all reference to "him." This character name appears to have been a long-after-the-fact creation of Mel Blanc and no more. Understand, he also contended in his later years that he took over the job of voicing Elmer Fudd when Arthur Q. Bryan died in 1959, but this is demonstrably not true. He voiced Elmer twice during Bryan's life, and not again until the creation of wraparound sequences for compilations of the vintage shorts in the 1970s, TV specials and feature films, which in turn led to a handful of all-new specials. At List of cartoons featuring Elmer Fudd, you can see that Hal Smith voiced Fudd in two shorts made just after Bryan's passing. So, given the deletion of the Happy Rabbit article, I have now removed the name completely from this article, and will do so whenever I encounter it elsewhere. Ted Watson 21:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, yes. As far as I know, no one from the studio but Blanc has ever used the name "Happy Rabbit" for the early Bugs Bunny. I thought about fighting this battle (to remove the Happy Rabbit article and the references to this so-called character) when I first encountered the article, but I unfortunately have little Wiki time these days. If there's a movement afoot to rub out the little lagomorph, though, I'm on board. Happy Rabbit = Blanc's fantasy. — Amcaja (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Happy Rabbit" article started about a year ago [1] by a red-link user which appears to be the one later named (i.e. spelled correctly) "Mr. Sanitizer"). I seem to recall having some issues with him about which cartoon was Bugsy's true debut, but I think we reached agreement. That was some months ago. Maybe you could quiz him about this issue. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I feel the same way as Amcaja, except that most of my Wiki time is spend searching for vandalism. I don't think we should recreate an article for the Bugs prototype UNLESS we at least have an official name for the character. WAVY 10 Fan 16:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should hold off on the "Happy Rabbit" removal for a little while; at least until I can get my investigation sorted out. What I'm trying to find out is whether or not anyone else can contradict Blanc's claims concerning Bugs Bunny's evolution (or any other such statements that present themselves). I'll have some enlightening information to share soon, I'm sure. — Cinemaniac 20:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem holding off. Despite what we discover, we should still at least mention that Blanc claimed in such-and-such source that the Bugs prototype was called Happy Rabbit. If this name is debunked in other sources, we should then go on to say how. This is similar to the old story that Daffy's lisp was patterned after Leon Schlesinger's voice, which I believe is now known to not be true. — Amcaja (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

What's your theory on Daffy's lisp? Blanc said it just made sense to him for an animal with a beak. Daffy's original lisp was not very strong, so it could have been similar to Schesinger's, if it's true that Schlesinger had one. The slobbery lisp evolved over time, it didn't start out that way. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

We've had this conversation before, at Talk:Daffy Duck . . . . :) — Amcaja (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought it sounded familiar. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

You and Amcaja both participated in the above Daffy Duck discussion with me, in my old unregistered days—when I was known simply by my initials JS (which was also intended as an in-joke, given the use of JavaScript)—and more recently, we've had a similar discussion at your talk page. I remember the former debate especially well, since it was indisputably the most intelligent and relevatory discussion I ever participated in in my early days on Wikipedia, and it's what ultimately inspired me to become an official editor.  :) — Cinemaniac 02:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Intelligent and revelatory? Wow. We won't let that happen again! But thanks. Even a blind chipmunk (such as I) finds an acorn now and then. It's good that we encouraged you. It doesn't always happen that way here. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Porky's Hare Hunt or A Wild Hare?

Bugs has defiantly made his debut in Porky's hare Hunt evolved or not i don't care what all the historians are saying the prototype is defiantly Bugs and warner Brothers even says he first appeared in Porky's Hare Hunt. MrJanitor1 23:23 4, January 2008

MrJanitor1, I notice you've been making changes recently in the infobox concerning Bugsy's debut. Bugs Bunny did not make his first appearance in Porky's Hare Hunt; he debuted in A Wild Hare, which is considered his first appearance by most animation scholars and by several of the key people behind his creation. See my talk page to read a few discussions over this very topic. Thanks, and happy editing! — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

As Cinemaniac points out above, and as has been pointed out to MrJanitor1 a couple of months ago, the various books on the subject all say Bugs' debut film is A Wild Hare. Everything before that was various experimentation with rabbits, but they were not the Bugs Bunny character. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Where's the citation for what WB supposedly says? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall Warner ever endorsing Porky's Hare Hunt as Bugs's birthdate. In fact, they constantly state on almost every volume of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection DVDs that Bugs Bunny first appeared in A Wild Hare. Also, Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng, two of the key creators of the wabbit, both believe that A Wild Hare is Bugsy's debut. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right. That's why MrJanitor1 needs to find an appropriate citation, otherwise it can't be in the article, even as a footnote. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

In regards to citations, here's a 1970 interview with Chuck Jones, in which he states that "the Bugs Bunny personality has to be started with A Wild Hare." — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Overall, there are at least three sections that are really on the same topic. Maybe they should be combined into one, chronologically. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I could laugh for weeks but in Looney Tunes 50th Anniversary (for TV) Friz Freleng states that he did debut in Porky's hare Hunt. According to Unusing Maestros: A Directors Tribute Martha Sigil (Warner's ink painter) that after Porky's Hare Hunt Chuck Jones was assigned to direct another Rabbit pitcure and for the third one they redesigned him Charlie Thorson wrote Bugs' Bunny and after the pitcure was released they named the hare Bugs Bunny thus proving my point.

MrJanitor1 18:57 4 January 2008

Glad to see you provide a citation for your viewpoint. However, you might have to take what Freleng said with a grain of salt. After all, in a 1975 Camera Three interview (during which Chuck Jones, Bob Clampett, and Mel Blanc were also interviewed), Freleng states: "Bugs Bunny started off as a rabbit outsmarting a hunter in Tex Avery's A Wild Hare. I'm talking about the rabbit who finally ended up being the popular rabbit. There were Bugs Bunnys prior to that, but they weren't really the same character. They were like Daffy Duck in a rabbit suit."

'Nuff said. A Wild Hare is the best birthdate for Bugs. Tex Avery nailed his character in that cartoon, and the other "Bugses" before 1940 are not self-evidently sane and cool—unlike the Bugs from A Wild Hare. Also, historian Joe Adamson regards A Wild Hare as Bugsy's debut. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 22:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's what Chuck Jones had to say about the matter, in the same interview I referenced beforehand (and one of the earliest of Jones's interviews, by the way):

Jones: There were certain characters who evolved slowly, like Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig. Tex Avery, I think, must be given the basic credit for the character of Bugs Bunny, although there were a few Bugs Bunnys made before Tex's first Bugs Bunny. But Tex was the first to have him say, "What's up, doc?" and give him what you might call controlled insanity, as opposed to wild insanity. Originally, Bugs was very much like Daffy.

Barrier: I've hard that you consider the rabbit in your Prest-O Change-O (1939) the ancestor of Bugs.

Jones: That was one of them. It was made before A Wild Hare (1940), Tex's first Bugs Bunny, but A Wild Hare really set Bugs' personality.

Barrier: You had a cartoon called Elmer's Pet Rabbit (1940), which was released several months after A Wild Hare. It seems to be the first cartoon in which Bugs is identified by name. The Bugs in that cartoon is like the rabbit in your Elmer's Candid Camera, which was released early in 1940, and Hardaway and Dalton's Hare-um Scare-um, which was released in 1939. Both came before A Wild Hare.

Jones: I'm not sure of the chronology, but the Bugs Bunny personality has to be started with A Wild Hare. That and two or three Tex Avery cartoons after that really made Bugs what he was.

For more past discussion over Bugs's evolution, see this discussion at my talk page. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 23:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Headline text

84.42.171.89 a lazy trawl of the net brought up one ref: http://www.gettingit.com/article/456 re:bugs as alien abductee, but seeing as this contribution nis on-topic, i doubt you'll help me out here.

but let's talk about discrimination......

solution to off-topic issues might be to create an entry on em, dontcha think? /chews carrrot/84.42.171.89 16:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)tresroque

Hare or rabbit?

I am puzzled that the cartoons often referred to him as a hare, but surely a "bunny" is a rabbit. Can someone clarify? PatGallacher 10:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

It's easier to make puns with the word hare. — Amcaja 08:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Rivals

Rivals need to be visible in the box.

Vandalism

It cracks me up to see that someone would be childish enough to do that. Adults today... *shakes head* when will they ever grow up.SilentWind 01:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Answer to A Puzzling Question

{Posted by JS on December 4, 2006}---For a good, well-research account of Bugs' evolution, see Michael Barrier's Hollywood Cartoons: American Animation in Its Golden Age. Also, I have a question. In the printed version of the article that I printed out some time ago, it said, "Chuck Jones noted that the Of course you realise this means war! line was taken from Groucho Marx in the classic Duck Soup." I have seen Duck Soup several times, and I don't recall Groucho ever exactly saying that. (He does say, "Then it's war!" several times before the famous war sequence.) In fact, I think that only the ambassador and the officer say that in the film. However, Groucho does quip the line in A Night at the Opera. Am I right about this or am I, as Daffy Duck once sang, working on a broken merry-go-round?

[UPDATE: As it turns out, my question had already been answered shortly before in a discussion on the Groucho Marx talk page. That discussion will be copied below:

No, it was not Duck Soup, actually. I believe it was Night at the Opera. He never uses those words in Duck Soup, though I remember him doing it at a later one. It could also be At The Circus, A Day At the Races, etc. J. M. 07:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It was not Duck Soup. It was A Night At The Opera. Harpo, Chico, and the strait man (I can't remember his name) had been caught and locked in the brig for being stowaways. They climed down a rope swinging past the porthole and climed into the room of three foreign brother aviators who were sleeping. The three brothers had just flown across the Atlantic or someting like that. The guys took the brothers clothes and cut off their beards in order to sneek off the ship but there is press confrince wating for the aviators. They are asked to say a few words. Chico goes first and says the first time they got half way and ran out of gas so they to turn around and go back. On the second try they were almost ready to land and they reaized they forgot the airplane and had to go back. On the third try they decided to take a boat. Harpo went next. As we know he doesn't speak so he drinks a glass of water. And he just keeps drinking water. Finaly he turns the pitcher of water up. The water causes his beard to come loose. A cop looking for the guys says someting about it and they get upset. They start talking to Groucho in their nativ toung (witch is the audio track being played backwards.) They stom off and Groucho turns the to cop and says "Of course you know this means war."

In a Day at the Races a horn blows (From the racetrack I believe) and Groucho yells "It's war!" He does not yell the exact phrase "This means war!" in Duck soup but there are many similar statements. (Mschonert 02:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC))

In Duck Soup, as I recall, the one who actually utters the words "This means war!" is Ambassador Trentino, just before he storms out in a huff (or a minute 'n a huff). After he has left, Groucho reiterates, "Then it's war!" and several other players echo Groucho. Bugsy's frequently used comment, spoken directly to the audience, "Of course you realize this means war!" was taken from that phraseology in the Marx films, it's just not an exact quote. Kind of like "Play it again, Sam" is connected with Casablanca, although those precise words are not used. Wahkeenah 19:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The preceding discussion was moved here by JS, 70.249.83.41 20:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

"Many other voice actors have done Bugs for various one-off projects when the above were not available"

Can we at least footnote who? -- Zanimum 17:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

"Other Rivals"

Does anyone know the name of the evil scientist who had the strange East-European-like acccent but the stereotypical Asian look? He would throw a bottle of ether at Bugs to slow him down and put him to sleep. I always wondered what his name was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trewells (talk • contribs) 20:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

He had no name, but his voice was a very good impression of actor Vincent Price, a horror actor who played many mad scientists. CastingCrowns (talk) 12:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Rabbit of Seville

Come on, it's one of my favorites. Fast moving, cross dressing, opera, what more could you ask? Yet, even though Rabbit of Seville can be found in wikipedia, it's not menttioned here.

Other voices of Bugs BUnny

Actually, Joe Alaskey has voiced Bugs Bunny on at least one other occassion after Looney Tunes: Back in Action. Alaskey voiced Bugs once more in the 4-minute short Daffy Duck for President, along with his Alaskey's usual portrayal, Daffy Duck. Daffy Duck for President was released in 2004 on The Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 2, and was reportedly based on the book of the same name, and made in "loving memory of Chuck Jones", who had died in 2002. --- JS, 164.58.96.126 15:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Bugs Bunny's DEATH??

I remember reading an Internet bio over Bugs Bunny, and it stated, rather bluntly, that he "died" in January 2004. This seems plausible, if one remembers the box-office failure of Looney Tunes: Back in Action. This is odd, because I've seen Bugs in several new Flash cartoons on the Web. Furthermore, if this IS true, why isn't it mentioned in the article? --- JS, 156.110.47.73 19:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's vandalisim that's why, Bugs is alive and well because he, much like most of the Looney Tunes, is immortal User:AKR619 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

He's as immortal as the celuloid he's painted on. As long as the cartoons exist, Bugsy exists. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all for responding; previous attempts to get questions answered went unheeded (see above in "The Answer To A Puzzling Question"). In regards to the Internet bio's reliability, I was initially very skeptical (as is evidenced by some questions in previous posting), but, over time, I was lulled into believing its blunt statement of Bugs's death because of recollection of previous "deaths" of Warner cartoon characters like Michigan J. Frog. It's very reassuring to finally find those who help answer that niggling doubt. Thank you, again. --- JS, 156.110.47.73 19:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

There are only two things that can kill a toon: (1) "the dip"; and (2) poor ratings. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse image??

Why in the world is the Mickey Mouse image in the place of Bugs Bunny's old image? Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny are clearly not alike, except the fact that they are both animated icons. Someone replace it after I delete it. --- JS, 70.250.244.158 18:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Legacy?

I just edited out the Legacy section of the article (although I did move the introductory sentences of that section up towards the top of the page). Reasons:

A) Most of the section's paragraphs were overly long.

B) Much of what was written there has already been covered in other parts of the article; there's no need of such redundancies.

C) The whole section seemed more like a person essay than a section of an encyclopedic article, what with its over-use of fragments and contractions and question marks and rhetorical questions.

D) Moreover, there was already a section over CURRENT POPULARITY, so having a section over Bugs Bunny's legacy seemed a bit unnecessary.

But if anyone disaggrees and proves I was in the wrong (although I really don't think I am), feel free to go back into the archives and put it back. -- Cinemaniac 22:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No, you were definitely in the right - most of it was copy-pasted from http://looneytunes.warnerbros.com/stars_of_the_show/bugs_bunny/bugs_story.html# --69.181.209.245 14:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Good! I was certainly hoping I was with my first major revision! --- Cinemaniac 19:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

a cameo in a Paramount pitcure

I researched that Bugs Bunny made a cameo in a Paramount cartoon. I don't know if it's a lie but if it says it a Big Cartoon Datatbase says it then it might be true. MrJanitor1 8:27 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It's too vague. Need specific cartoon so it can be verified, especially as it seems unlikely - those were rival studeos. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

okay I read that in a picture called Jasper Goes Hunting where a character named Jasper is hunting. he finds a scarecrow they spot a rabbit hole and its indeed Bugs Bunny saying Eh, What's Up Doc and the scarecrows says Why It's Bugs Bunny and he says Hey I must be in the wrong pcture and dives in the whole MrJanitor1|Sufferin Succotash 16:41 January 13 2008 (UTC)

OK, but just where did you read that? You need to provide the source so it can be verified. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's a source [2] we can cite. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 01:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Bugs Bunny's Real Name

According to "Looney Tunes: The Ultimate Visual Guide" by Jerry Beck (from the DK picture encyclopedia series but under Warner Bros. Copyright), there appears a picture of Bugs Bunny from a 60's comic book where Bugs Bunny mentions that "bugs is only a nickname- - My real name is George Washington Bunny."

I wanted to mention this before I added it to the encyclopedia article. The book's information is here.

Looney Tunes: The Ultimate Visual Guide by Jerry Beck Copyright 2003 Warner Bros Entertainment Inc. DK Publishing Inc Reproduced by Media Development and Printing Ltd.

Can anyone tell me if this is noteworthy for inclusion in the article? Monkeytheboy (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's a one-use joke. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)