Talk:Burl Ives

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"The Foggy Dew"[edit]

is an Irish ballad, therefore I am changing it. Post any objections on my talk page. --V. Joe 20:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jailed in Mona, Utah[edit]

Does anyone have a reference for Ives being jailed in Mona, Utah? I've done a web search, but only come up with references back to this Wikipedia article. Harrv 23:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ives tells the story on pp. 129-131 of his autobiography. Chironomia 06:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article improvement[edit]

The centennial of Ives' birth is in June 1909. It'd be great to get this article brought up to its full potential by that time, perhaps even a "featured article". The subject is certainly worthy, and the article is pretty good already. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Misdirected Link[edit]

An album named "The Times They Are A-Changing" is in Ives' discography, but the link is to the Bob Dylan album of the same name. Can anyone fix?147.81.120.8 (talk) 02:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed it.UnvoicedConsonant (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

There should be a pronunciation given of his name. Is his first middle name /ˈɪkl̩/ or /ˈaɪkl̩/?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 04:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HUAC appearance[edit]

The quote referenced in citation 23 refers to doesn't appear to exist in the transcript. Is there a particular page this quote is on? It also is misleading. On pp. 220 and 221, Richard Dyer-Bennet, Alan Meltzer, Ray Lev and Herb Kay are specifically mentioned. Mr. Ives says on page 220 "I am very sorry that I have to bring up names in this matter, because I would like to be able to not mention other names, but I can't. I will have to do it, because these people will have to do as I have done, and many others." Obinatorus (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is the document online? It's a government document so maybe it is, somewhere. Absent that, one way to handle this is to tag the ref with {{Failed verification}} and await discussion, such as an person pointing out a passage that you missed or whatever. However, that might be a long wait, and it appears that you have a document at hand, and I assume that you're correct.

Also, the incident as currently described would really much explain why there was a "bitter rift between Ives and many folk singers, including Seeger" (emphasis added), unless it was just solidarity with Seeger. And that Ives "named names" (plural) is something that you hear, for instance here and here, although other sources (here and here for instance) just say Ives was blacklisted with no mention of him naming names, and this one says he named just Seeger. I think that none of those are sources that we can use, they are not WP:Reliable sources, although further digging might bring up better sources.

Here we have "Ives was one of those named but he agreed to appear before the HUAC and named several former friends, including Pete Seeger, as members of the Communist Party." This passage is by John Simpkin, who if this is true is apparently accomplished and erudite, but the name of the site (Spartacus Educational) gives me pause, and anyway since it's just Simpkin saying so with no fact-checking (as far as we can assume) it's still not a usable source for such an inflammatory assertion, even granting that Ives is dead now.

All things considered, I thought it best to redact the passage and the preceding sentence. This makes Ives look a lot worse, and what I'd really like to see the transcript of the testimony and/or some neutral and reliable reports of it. Herostratus (talk) 22:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been able to find the transcript online. It was available at the local library. Mr. Ives did not mention Mr. Seeger in the transcript that I read. I do have images of most of the relevant pages if that would be helpful. Is there an appropriate place to post them?

My understanding is that Mr. Ives appeared before the committee, and the FBI earlier, to remove himself from the blacklist. Obinatorus (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See "Richard Dyer-Bennet: The Last Minstrel" by Paul Jenkins (2010), which quotes Ives's testimony at length, p. 72-75. Ives testified on May 20, 1952. He explained that he was interested in learning about communism in the 1940s and attended meetings about it but that before long he rejected it. The committee asked specifically who invited him to the meetings, and that is when he said "I am very sorry that I have to bring up names in this matter" and told them that it was the folk singer Richard Dyer-Bennet. But he added that Dyer-Bennet also had rejected communism by about 1945. The book does not say that Ives named anyone else. Jenkins calls it "damning testimony" but to say that he and someone else had looked into communism and rejected it years earlier is hardly what is meant by "naming names". Seeger's main objection was that Ives spoke to the committee at all. He wanted solidarity on refusing to testify. JoeBrennan (talk) 15:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of works by Burl Ives[edit]

Support split - Sections about works by Burl Ives take up more than one quarter of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled List of works by Burl Ives. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]