Talk:Burmese cuisine

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First Requested move[edit]

Second requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was consensus to move. --rgpk (comment) 21:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Cuisine of BurmaBurmese cuisine — This move was suggested back in 2008 but the discussion ended without consensus because there were mixed practices at the time about how to format the titles of articles about cuisine by country. Since then, "Adjectival cuisine" has come into standard use for these articles because of Wikipedia's policy about common names. Ultimately, none of the arguments presented back in 2008 against the move were specific to Burma; the ambiguity between nationality and ethnicity is common to most of these articles but is not an issue because all of the ethnic cuisines within a particular nation are within the scope of that nation's cuisine article. There is a handfull of national topics that have been accepted in practice as exceptions to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (country-specific topics) in order to be consistent with WP:COMMONNAME; cuisine is one of them. A search on Google Books reveals 313 hits for "Burmese cuisine", but only 16 for "Cuisine of Burma". Not only is "Burmese cuisine" by far the more common name, but it is consistent with the rest of the national cuisine articles. As such, Cuisine of Burma should be moved to Burmese cuisine. Neelix (talk) 14:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment Oppose (mildly) I continue to believe the current title is more accurate. Burmese cuisine, even in Burma, is primarily identified with the Bamar/Myanmar majority ethnic group and the Burmese differentiate between Burmese, Shan, Rakhine, and Indian cuisine. --rgpk (comment) 14:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
    Comment is a more accurate description of my position on this so I've modified my oppose accordingly. --rgpk (comment) 13:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Split the cuisine of a country versus the ethnic cuisine. Burmese cuisine is found outside of Burma, and is of the Burmese ethnic group. The cuisine of a country however covers all forms in the country. These are two distinct and separate topics. I don't doubt that most of the article belongs at "Burmese cuisine", but not all of it. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Comment The way that most cuisine articles deal with the divide between national and ethnic cuisines is to host all of the various ethnic cuisines on the national cuisine article. It is true that the ethnic cuisines are produced outside the country, but this is treated as a diaspora and is therefore treated on the national cuisine article anyway. Neelix (talk) 13:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support It should be Burmese cuisine. Today's Burmese cuisine is an amalgam of all ethnic cuisines. If you want to be literal about Bamar (Upper Burman) cuisine, then we'd get a depressingly bland cuisine of rice, beans, noodles and meat stews. No fish paste, no fish/shrimp sauce, no spices, no curries, very little seafood--all the ingredients that one would think make Burmese cuisine Burmese cuisine. Especially in urban areas in the south where many ethnicities co-exist, people basically eat the same (differ only by what they can afford). I don't know of any particular ethnic group just sticking to their ethnic cuisine. Even in Upper Burma, where transportation costs and the lack of refrigeration still make southern (maritime) ingredients much more costly, people there eat Burmese cuisine, not just the traditional Bamar food (if there's still such a thing). Hybernator (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.