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older entries[edit]

Found some errors : liniile neinteroperabile still belong to CFR (they are leased for a period of time). Those who have leased the rails are to provide for passenger rail service, CFR no longer having the right to operate on the line. Many of the lease agreements have been breached and CFR took back control of the line The 26-54 (modernized double decker) is to be used on accelerat service, not personal.

Thanks for pointing them out. I've corrected them. Ronline 07:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Actually, a question - you said "Those who have leased the rails are to provide for passenger rail service, CFR no longer having the right to operate on the line." So who operates the line? A private company with their own rolling stock? For passenger services? Could you give some examples? Thanks, Ronline 07:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The private company that leased the line is obliged to maintain passenger rails, with their rolling stock (either bought or rented). Example : CFTB - RC Caile Ferate Trans Brasov, operate Brasov - Zarnesti using second hand French DMUs. The signaling system, rules and regulations drafted by CFR apply to these lines, and prices for passenger services are pegged to those employed by CFR (with a 10% margin). --Xanthar 11:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Xanthar - thanks very much for all the great info on locomotives and rolling stock. I've converted it to a table and added many photos. The article I think is really comprehensive and informative at the moment. Ronline 11:08, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Have submitted it to featured articles. It would be great if there would be no major edits at the moment, just until it passes through featured article candidature. Thanks, Ronline 11:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Done some corrections : The picture used as "class 91" is in fact a class 98 (former 92). The DMU in the photo wasn't even numbered as 91-xxxx-x but 92-xxxx-x (the picture is at least 2 years old). This is how present day class 91 looks [1]

Thanks for the corrections. Just as a matter of personal interest, I would like to know where you got the information that 3 EMUs, probably Pendolino, are going to be delivered to CFR. Do you have more information about that? I'm interested in CFR's future modernisation and the news that it will acquire Pendolinos is great!! Ronline 12:57, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

First found out from an internal memo regarding "track tests" for these trains. Then read it in a newspaper about a month ago (don't remember which, possibly evenimentul zilei). --Xanthar 14:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

CFR on the Main Page[edit]

CFR will be the featured article on the Main Page on July 22 2005, see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 22, 2005. This is some really exciting news! I'd just like to thank everyone who contributed, especially Xanthar, who contributed such a great deal of good information. Thank you! Ronline 06:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

This is a very good article. Congratulations to all involved. —Morven 01:16, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Non-paying passengers[edit]

Nothing at all about the problem of the number of people who ride without paying? And whether that is going up or down? -- Jmabel | Talk 02:35, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Well we couldn't find any. Fare evasion is an issue on all worldwide transport networks but doesn't seem to be particularly an issue on CFR. If anyone wants to open a section for that, then do so. I don't know any stats about it. Ronline 06:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Paying a small(er) fee to the train conductor (mersul cu nasul) instead of buying a legal ticket is still very popular in Romania. I've seen packed personal trains with 2 or 3 persons having a ticket, the rest giving half the fee to the conductor. Despite this, on Rapid and Intercity it is declining, especially since students (that favored this way of travel) have been issued with more half price coupons than usual this year.

Sounds about right to me, including the claim that it is declining. I'm pretty sure that (at least in the late 1990s and through when I was there in 2001) this is/was more common in Romania than in most of Europe. (Plenty of this in many parts of Europe on subways and buses, but I think there was much more of it on Romania's railway network than most places I've traveled.) Probably someone should be able to find an article about this in some Romanian newspaper of magazine and cite that. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:58, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Headquarters image[edit]

The image of the CFR headquarters has been removed at least twice, by anonymous cowards 24.14.92.28 and 24.150.224.56. Is there a possible political reason for this? Is it a false image? Ayeroxor 04:37, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

It is not a false image at all. See Wikimedia Commons for description. (By the way, I'm really angry that someone's taken out all the diacritics ă î â ş ţ out of the text!! Takes time to fix them) Ronline 06:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

That's the location of the headquarters of CFR - Ministerul Transporturilor, Palatul CFR (Transportation Ministry, CFR Building). It's right in front of Gara de Nord in Bucharest, and VERY hard to miss. Any other deletion will be considered as vandalism. The image is definitely REAL and NOT FAKE. Check here before ERASING : [2]

Filaret Station[edit]

Commons now has a couple of pictures of Filaret Station, the first passenger rail station in Romania (now a bus station):

Filaret 1.jpg Image:Filaret 1.jpg
Filaret 2.jpg Image:Filaret 2.jpg

Probably one of these belongs in this article (which currently mentions that first Bucharest-Giurgiu line, but not the station); also the station itself probably deserves an article. - Jmabel | Talk 08:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

From abroad[edit]

If I understand the article all right, you cannot make reservations or buy tickets from abroad, and even in Romania, you can not do it via Internet. Is it so? Do foreign travel agencies make reservations and sell tickets?

--Error 20:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There is no way to book tickets over the Internet until at least February 2008. --Xanthar 22:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Largeness and other[edit]

In the article the CFR is mentioned as managing the forth largest network. In my opinion the 'in terms of volume of passengers and freight' has no meaning and in addition it is in contradiction of the articles resource where the length of the network is mentioned as forth in Europe.

In reality none of them is right. The longest networks in Europe are:

  1. Deutsche Bahn: 35545 km
  2. SNCF: 29085 km
  3. UZ: 23650 km
  4. PKP: 19829 km
  5. FS: 16178 km
  6. RENFE: 12801 km
  7. CFR: 11320 km

And there is also the RZD which has much more railroad on the European continent than 11320 km.

(Source: Railfaneurope.net)

The 'in terms of volume of passengers and freight' seems to be farther of reality. As it can be checked on the CFR's Călători homepage even the Hungarian Railway Company (MÁV (which is in a much lesser country)) had transported more passenger and freight than the CFR. A simple thinking can help also to not to be mislead. The CFR has a relatively small rolling stock (compared to the size of Romania and the length of the network), if you are in Romania you can experience that passenger trains are rather short (you hardly see trains with more than 6 carriages), if you glance on the timetable you will find long gaps between two train's departures.

    • In terms of passenger traffic - maybe the author considered the market size or the number of passenger-km transported.

In fact I'm also not satisfied by some other sentences in the article which are tend to be simple lauds than containing information.

Just an example:

  • InterCity trains … rivalling the premier services of other European carriers.

And on a picture we can admire the interior of a normal long distance passenger carriage used everywhere in Europe from Turkey to Russia and from Romania to France. Nothing extra (electric plug, adjustable seats, carpet on the floor, individual light, table for the passengers by the corridor [found on ÖBB, DB, SNCF etc. carriages (not only Business Class)]) or it must be hidden or invisible for a simple passenger as me.

    • The picture is not of a standard IC passenger carriage. Standard IC carriages will have at least tray tables for the passengers for the entire length of the seat, individual lights and carpets. Newer IC carriages (and almost all 1st class carriages used on IC service) will have power plugs (I've even seen plugs on new rolling stock used on Rapid trains). But I agree, the sentence as it is sounds quite bad and bombastic. --Xanthar 22:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

And one of my favorite:

  • In fact, according to Friends of CFR, a Romanian railway journal, there was a considerable downgrading in quality when the Bucharest-Vienna IC service switched from being operated by CFR to being run by Austrian Railways (ÖBB) in 2003, leading to numerous complaints that the route should revert back to CFR cars instead of Austrian ÖBB cars.

It seems to be normal that Friends of CFR will safeguard their aimed company and therefore they contemn other operators. But it seems to be a bit exaggerated in a Wikipedia article as a proof of high quality of CFR InterCity carriages. Particularly if we consider that ÖBB carriages has some extra comfort that CFR's hasn't thought it's true that those are much older than CFR's.

All in all, it would be a good idea, to delete some sentences or just rewrite them to make this article more neutral.

Strapontin 08:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

The infobox was full of mistakes - SNCFR was dissolved 10 years ago and split in 5 companies and a state authority. This article is not about the defunct company, but rather about the brand that the five companies use together and the services they provide. --Xanthar (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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CFR logos[edit]

Just to make it clear for those messing around with the logo: The logo for the CFR group of companies is the crimson wheel with wings. Each company in the group has its own logo: CFR Calatori has the blue "snake" or "rodent", CFR Marfa has a rectangle divided in three horizontal red-yellow-blue lines with a white CFR MARFA inscription, CNCFR (Infrastructure) uses a variation of the wheel with wings.--Xanthar (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Feedback please[edit]

Hello I'd like some feedback on the following ideas:

  • To create a separate Rail transport in Romania to act as a root article, and to link to any non-CFR developements (such as private rail operators, or pre-CFR companies, as well as Romania rail transport manufacturers etc) Specifically with private operators now legally able to operate CFR is not the only rail company in Romania. for example http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/romania.html lists many minor rail operators in addition to CFR.
  • To create a separate History of rail transport in Romania (as per History of rail transport by country series) - with the full chronology contained there and links to histories in other relevent articles. (moving part of the information currently in the history section of this article) . As part of this idea the history section in this article could (but not neccessarily) become a short abstract)

Additionally does anyone have the sources for the historical information in this article so that it can be referenced, or can provide good sources? Please state any objections, agreements, or alternatives. Thank you.87.102.78.86 (talk) 15:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Is This Article Advertising?[edit]

I fail to understand why the article presents CFR in such a glorious light, i.e. as one of the most successful railway companies in SE Europe. It says nothing about the major corruption case of Mihai Necolaiciuc, a former CFR director, under whose rule public procurement became a mockery, e.g. a pillow for a hotel was bought for 1500 EUR, and a bed blanchet for 3500 EUR. In total, he and his gang including top politicians stole up to 700 million EUR from CFR. CFR is presently on the brink of bankrupcy, and the average train speed is 40 km/h, well below the average speed before World War 2. So I would suggest to use a more balanced approach... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.55.8 (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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