Talk:Cabinet of Japan

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The Tom,

If this article is going to be moved please contact a user with administrative powers to do it because if you copy and paste it destroys the edit history. But first could you explain your reasons for the move? Is "Cabinet of Japan" a more official term?

Iota 13:35, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Japanese CabinetCabinet of Japan[edit]

Better wikipediawide consistency both in terms of "Cabinet of xxx" name structure for all Westminster-model democracies (ie Cabinet of the United Kingdom, Cabinet of Australia, Cabinet of Canada) and "xxx of Japan" name structure for all articles about Japanese political institutions (ie Diet of Japan, Constitution of Japan, Prime Minister of Japan). Presently impeded by a double-edit. -- The Tom 00:57, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • For sake of aesthetics and consistency, Support. I do have my problems with United States Cabinet but I won't get into that issue. —ExplorerCDT 02:01, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Well, there's definitely a large can of worms at play here. Dare I point interested eyes to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (government departments and ministers)? -- The Tom 04:24, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • DARE I POINT OUT THAT YOU CREATED THE ARTICLE FOUR HOURS BEFORE YOU POSTED THE COMMENT IMMEDIATELY ABOVE!?!?!?!?!?! [1]ExplorerCDT 15:29, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support mildly. It's worth pointing out that "Japanese Cabinet" gets 16,700 Google hits, whereas "Cabinet of Japan" gets only 640. That would explain why the article was named "Japanese Cabinet" in the first place: That's how it's most often referred to in news articles. But, neither is the cabinet's official name (in Japan it's simply "the Cabinet"), so I support for the reasons ExplorerCDT gave above.
  • Support. Silly question but do any of the Google hits refer to furniture produced in Japan? Timrollpickering 11:42, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: it's also worth pointing out that the use of Japanese in almost all contexts (except when talking about the "the Japanese", or just naming the language), but especially in the phrase Japanese Cabinet is an intrinsically adjectival syntax. —ExplorerCDT 15:24, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (government departments and ministers) is worth looking at... this is part of a larger issue... —Tkinias 23:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • NOTE User:The Tom only created that article on December 26, 2004 [2]ExplorerCDT 15:29, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • Uh, yes, you're right, I did. I saw this one particular page move as the tip of a bigger iceberg, and decided to start a broader discussion where people could see if we wanted a policy on these matters or not. If nobody wants one, then we won't have one, and I certainly won't appeal to one to justify any moves now or in the future. -The Tom 02:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Although if they redirect to the same thing, and neither one of them is right according to actual Japanese governmental stuff, does it really make a hell of a difference? SECProto 03:44, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)

Minister of State[edit]

This article states that all members other than the Prime Minister are called Ministers of State. Yet the list and the relevant articles about them only calls them "Minister of X" (Minister for Foreign Affairs (Japan), Minister of the Environment (Japan), etc.). Can someone confirm what the exact translation of 大臣 is? And should they be called "Minister of State for Foreign Affairs" and so on? 81.249.6.191 (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "the exact translation" since various translations are possible. The Prime Minister's Office maintains a Web site with an English page at http://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/hukudadaijin/070926/index_e.html. That gives what might be taken as the official English title of each member of the Cabinet. Some have "of State" in the title and some do not. Fg2 (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I was just pointing out a contradiction with what the article states. In your link, apparently only ministers who don't head a ministry are called Ministers of State. 83.204.177.107 (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

"Minister of State" is:

  1. The English translation of kokumu daijin, i.e. any member of the cabinet including the PM. Note that no individual minister, not even a "Minister of State2", is casually referred to as kokumu daijin in Japanese. The term is generally used when the cabinet ministers are referred to collectively and in more formal, particularly legal contexts (for example, the constitution uses kokumu daijin). So, it’s simply gaimu-daijin, "Minister of/for Foreign Affairs", not "Minister of State for Foreign Affairs"; yet he is one of the Ministers of State.
  2. The Kantei's Engrish translation (on its English website) of naikaku-fu tokumei tantō daijin which might be more literally translated to English as "Minister for special affairs at the Cabinet Office". These are the "ministers of state" in the cabinet lists on the Kantei's Engrish website. The positions were created in accordance with the naikaku-fu-setchi-hō, the law that established the Cabinet Office in the reform of the central government in 2001. They deal with more or less permanent issues, such as the Southern Kuriles ("Northern Territories") or the regulation of the financial sector. And they have a budget via the Cabinet Office. Some such as the economic and fiscal policy ministers replaced ministerial heads of agencies (in this case the Keizai-kikaku-chō, the "economic planning agency") that were abolished or attached to other ministries (e.g. the Kin’yū-chō, the "financial services agency") in the reform of 2001.
    The other listed ministerial posts that do not lead a ministry are not naikaku-fu tokumei tantō daijin, but additional responsibilities that are assigned to any minister of state1 and can include short-term tasks such as the current quake, tsunami and nuclear issues. Theses posts are not necessarily created by a special law, their tasks are often covered by the budget of the naikaku-kambō, the Cabinet Secretariat.

See ja:国務大臣, ja:特命担当大臣 or the Kantei's Japanese website for further details. --Asakura Akira (talk) 08:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Cabinet of Albania which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 19:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)