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- 1 Candyman's reign of terror
- 2 Expansion
- 3 Overall perspective lacking
- 4 NPOV
- 5 still NPOV
- 6 World famous?
- 7 Vcrs
- 8 more pictures please
- 9 "Girl X"
- 10 Language
- 11 Gangsta City?
- 12 How many people lived here.
- 13 Chronology
- 14 Problems in Bloomington and Harvey, IL???
- 15 Geo coordinates wrong
- 16 Last Paragraph of 'Recent history and future plans'
- 17 article needs a section on "Brother Bill"
- 18 K-SO/Gettogurl
- 19 "Unique"?
- 20 Neighborhood
Candyman's reign of terror
I'm surprised at the lack of coverage in the article for Cabrini Greens most notoroius resident, Candyman. As seen in Clive Barker's shocking documentary "Candyman", he was responsible himself for many gruesome murders as well as forcing a college lecturer Helen Lyle to kidnap a baby and decapitate a dog. Candyman was distinguished by having a hook for a hand, and it was common belief among the poorly educted residents of Cabrini Green that if you said his name 5 times in a mirror, he would appear.
So let's get this article up to speed people, it's very poorly written as it is and without Candyman Cabrini Green would just be another failed housing project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
(Specifically, the section on tenant activism needs expansion--need information on pre-1996 tenant activism)
Overall perspective lacking
There seems to be some overall perspective lacking here. Nothing mentioned on why this kind of dense high-rise housing was built in the first place: racism.
The Chicago Housing Authority had planned much less dense housing, scattered about in various areas of the city. But political pressure ('we don't want those people in our neighborhood') forced the CHA to construct additional housing within their already existing space. So they were forced to go to this kind of high-rise construction, even though it was known that this was not good for communities, especially those with children.
It seems to me that this is an important part, but it's completely left out of this article. T-bonham (talk) 02:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC) And as it turns out, those racist thoughts were well based, just read the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
WhileNPOV in several places, I think the overall tone is not too far from wrong. :(
All we have to do to bring NPOV into this is to cite some sources and look for counterpoints if we are able to find them.
Can we get a picture of one of the buildings? Dralwik 15:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Most of what I've done has added, not changed, what was there before--so the intro part still violates NPOV, although I hope I've done better by talking about context and plans. Also, I'll see about getting some historic photos up, as I do have them around (on paper, of course). paytonc 4 Aug 05
The first sentence reads: "Cabrini-Green, comprising (...) one of the most notorious and infamous housing projects in the world.". Shouldn't that read "of the US"? I did not want to change it right away, as I am not familiar with the subject and it may indeed be famous all over the world... Jope 15:52, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
I am new to Wikipedia & still trying to figure out how all this works, so, apologies if I have made mistakes. Here's where I'm coming from.
It's true, Cabrini-Green was a horrible, horrible place to live. I know someone who worked there as an after-school tutor and remembers being stuck in the basement because there was so much gunfire they couldn't leave the building. She also said there was only one elevator in the big high-rises and it was always broken, so disabled people were literally trapped. Good thing there was never a big fire. In response to Jope, I think Cabrini-Green likely was known beyond the U.S. as a symbol of the problems of public housing in the states, for reasons I describe under "reputation" in the article.
But there were several ways the original article distorted the picture away from NPOV, I think.
First, it did not explain why things got so bad. For one thing, there was no reference to the city's role--the city was the landlord, and as such, was responsible for most of the things that were physically wrong with the buildings.
Another omission was that, while there was some reference to the geography of the situation, geography's impact was not really drawn into the explanation of why the residents ended up in such a hellhole. It's important to understand the causal factors in the changing neighborhoods surrounding Cabrini-Green--from the disappearance of jobs to the emergence of a market for drugs.
In my view, the former article's failure to explain how Cabrini-Green got so bad seemed to imply that it's just inevitable that, if you put poor Black people in a building, it will then just fall apart. My explanation tries to assign responsibility for the problems more realistically.
The second major problem with the article was that it did not take the residents' point of view into consideration. This is a huge oversight and sadly typical of the way stories in the U.S. are often told about African-Americans without consulting their perspective.
An outsider might think it's crazy that some residents want to stay at Cabrini-Green, but clearly that is the perspective of some residents, so it should be in the article. (After all, things have improved recently, and also, when you hear that some people see their only alternative as homelessness, it makes a little more sense.)
Although my attempts to include residents' point of view are not adequate and probably not NPOV, it's a beginning. More info about tenant activism would also help portray the diversity of residents--not all were gangsters or helpless victims, although some were.
I know there has been a lot of tenant activism long before 1996, but I ran out of time to research it. Maybe I will get back to it, but if not, someone else can! Vcrs 04:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
more pictures please
This is a good idea. I don't have any old pix showing the now-demolished buildings, but I could definitely go take some of the situation at the moment. I've walked through there a couple times recently; it's pretty bleak. Thanks Tempshill. Vcrs 22:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- I added one of the demolition, how's that look? --W.marsh 04:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Do we have ANY proof of the bit claiming to know what her real name is/was? 22.214.171.124 04:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I missed the link about a line down D:... 126.96.36.199 04:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd expect an encyclopedia to use terms like 'police officer' rather than 'cop'. -- 188.8.131.52 03:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The section on the film "Gangsta City" seems poorly-written and in violation of NPOV. It reads like ad copy. Thoughts?
is "Gangsta City" on dvd? --184.108.40.206 02:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
How many people lived here.
In paragraph 1, the article claims that 20,000 people once lived in Cabrini-Green. Later in the article the max figure drops to 15,000. Can we get a more accurate maximum size? >25% error seems like too much. 220.127.116.11 01:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The following link from the Chicago Housing Association clears this up, as it states 15,000 people. I have edited the article appropriately, although I am not sure how to add it as a citation. Could someone please do this? Thanks. RainnIceberg http://www.thecha.org/housingdev/cabrini_green_homes.html
I watched the Gangsterland on the history channel and it said there was much more people than 15,000 I think they said 75,000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The later entries in the chronology section should be removed. Although news stories on the days when they occurred they are not relevant to Cabrini Green as a whole. Incidents such as the recent ones listed (2006-2007) probably number in the thousands over the last 30 years. 22.214.171.124 09:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Problems in Bloomington and Harvey, IL???
The part about residents moving to Bloomington and Harvey and causing trouble at the high schools seems suspicious to me. I did a quick search and found nothing to support it, and it's casually written, sounds speculative and I almost deleted it because it looked like graffiti. Maybe someone with a better knowledge of local media who could confirm these "facts" could add citations.
NhInsideWriter 19:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC) NhInsideWriter
Geo coordinates wrong
The latitude/longitude is a few to several blocks Northeast of the actual projects. I don't know how to correct that so I hope someone else can please. 126.96.36.199 11:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Last Paragraph of 'Recent history and future plans'
This section seems to imply that the crime was a result of African Americans living there. I think it should be rephrased.
"Crime has dramatically decreased as the area's population has shifted; in the first half of 2006, only one murder occurred. Since most of the new housing post-dates 2000, no census figures are yet available, but the area is no longer predominantly African American." 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
article needs a section on "Brother Bill"
He was on television a lot in the 1990's here is some background information from Time Magazine. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,988191,00.html?promoid=googlep --Ted-m (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a small section, expansion needed. here are more sites with photos http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0004/silence33a.htm http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/grantpick/brotherbill/
Is the addition of the information about "K-SO" really important for this article? It doesn't seem to add anything, nor contribute to the history of Cabrini-Green. With the amount of references to the person's new book, it almost reads like a sales pitch. Keistje (talk) 07:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm an outsider, but this stood out to me:
- In February 2006, a unique partnership between CHA, Holsten, Kimball Hill Urban Centers and the Cabrini Green LAC Community Development Corporation began a 790-unit, $250-million redevelopment of the 18-acre (73,000 m2) Cabrini Extension site, to be called Parkside at Old Town.
Frankly, that reads as though it came straight from a press release. What's "unique" about a group of organisations working together on a redevelopment? Not much, surely. Loganberry (Talk) 01:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I see my edits were reverted . Cabrini-Green is a Chicago neighborhood. The housing projects in this neighborhood were the Cabrini Extension North, Cabrini Extension South, and the William Green Homes. The Frances Cabrini Rowhouses still remain and new housing developments Parkside of Old Town, and The Larrabee are now located in the area. Since the Cabrini extensions were demolished Cabrini-Green neighborhood name is not widely used in the area by some. This article should have the settlement (neighborhood) Infobox and reworked so that the many housing developments are separated into there own sub articles. --Nickvet419 (talk) 23:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)