Talk:Cake (band)

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DateProcessResult
August 28, 2011Good article nomineeListed

counting crows/modest mouse[edit]

I don't think the photos of Counting Crows or Modest Mouse contribute much to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.82.134 (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They act to illustrate the text; if you have any photos of Cake around the same era, we'd love to have them :). Ironholds (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Page numbers?[edit]

The sources should include page numbers for the articles so one can find them in old issues. The page number parameter works just like in {{Cite book}}. Hekerui (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will do as part of the GAN; a wee bit distracted IRL at the mo. Ironholds (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to this, so be kind. I believe it should be noted that they are also well known for the superb bass playing of Gabe Nelson. That is the very reason many listen to them and the article doesn't even mention it. 24.9.224.64 (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What Cake is Known For[edit]

I'm new to this, so be kind. I believe it should be noted that they are also well known for the superb bass playing of Gabe Nelson. That is the very reason many listen to them and the core of all their songs-- and the article doesn't even mention it. 24.9.224.64 (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure; no need to be scared :). I agree that Gabe's lines are both important and awesome - but I can't find any sources discovering it. If you can find like, a news article or something, I'll happily include it :). Ironholds (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I know this article used to talk about their wide use of syncopation. I think that old write up was superior to this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.224.64 (talk) 14:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The old one was mostly unreferenced, and Wikipedia has to be verifiable. As with the bass lines, if you can find coverage of the syncopation... Ironholds (talk) 14:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This band hates veterans that love and adore them that have mildly different political opinions. They take away your voice the moment you make a fair point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.36.5 (talk) 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Swarm u | t 03:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    The article is very well written.
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    Content is certainly referenced amply.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    I don't see any issues with unreliable sources.
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    History, influences, musical style and discography are amply covered, but see comments below.
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    Images are appropriately tagged.
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Article is well illustrated by free images with suitable captions.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Alright, I wanted to raise a few minor things before listing:

  • The article does not have a "band members" section that summarizes the past and present members in list or table form. (Example, example)
    Looks a bit grotty, to be honest; what I really want to do in future is one of those swish horizontal timeline things we have for arbcom tranches and the like, but that'll need some free time. Ironholds (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I assume this band has received music awards and nominations in its time. If so, it would be good to include an "Awards & nominations" section that summarizes this. Again, can just be in list or table form. (Example, example)
    As far as I'm aware, they actually haven't (or at least, no big or notable or ever-going-to-be-bluelinked ones); they've consistently been fairly underground. Ironholds (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I just added an awards table. They've been nominated for one big award (the VMA in 2002) and a few minor ones (the California Music Awards in 2001). The list is thin, but it's there and sourced. Now they just need to get nominated for more awards... PaintedCarpet (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cake has a unique and distinctive musical style. While this is well noted in the article, it would be fantastic to include an audio clip if anyone is capable of doing that. Of course this isn't remotely required for a GA, just a suggestion. (Example, example)

Otherwise, this article fairly easily meets the GA criteria. Swarm u | t 04:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Me no have technical savvy to do so, I'm afraid :(. Ironholds (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noted! I'm on holiday at the moment, but I'll get to it on Thursday-ish :). Ironholds (talk) 20:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds good. Enjoy! Swarm u | t 05:48, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(←) Your comments are noted. I do still want to (figure out how to) get an audio clip in there. Anyway, I've gone ahead and listed the article. Regards, Swarm u | t 15:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd like to too; I'm going to give some Featured Sounds people I know a poke - we'll see if we can get something sorted. Ironholds (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds good. Swarm u | t 21:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Music influences[edit]

I'm personally a cake fan myself, but I'm a little confused about the influences. Most I can understand but Iranian folk music Confuses me. Also, shouldn't that be linked to the main article instead of Music of Iran? Sorry to ask about such a small subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.49.76 (talk) 00:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

The timeline might need a little finessing, and the dates might need to be altered a bit. The info on wether Greg Brown quit in 1998 or 1997 seems contradictory, as his Wiki page says 1998 while this wiki page says 1997. Feel free to correct the dates accordingly. PaintedCarpet (talk) 11:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the awesome new functionality! My sources say 1997. Ironholds (talk) 12:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the first drummer for Cake was actually a local Sacramento drummer by the name of Rich Shepherd, who later became the drummer for Cause and Effect. At least, that's how I remember it. Of course, that's back before anyone signed them and they were playing local gigs here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.195.201.121 (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Motorcade/EP releases/timeline[edit]

So, a few details, and I should know, since I was directly involved.

Prior to the release of Motorcade, CAKE released two eps on cassette, as well as a vinyl single. The first EP, titled CAKE, consisted of four songs - Jolene, Stickshifts, Ruby Sees All, and Shadow Stabbing. The tracks were recorded at various venues, including the Old Ironsides, and overdubbed at Vince's apartment. It was released in 100 copies around June 1992. It was also used for promotional purposes to get gigs in other cities.

The second EP was recorded at Pus Cavern, and included Rock and Roll Lifestyle, Is This Love?, Jolene, and I Bombed Korea. Other songs were recoded at this session, including Daria, but weren't used.

A vinyl single was released as well, featuring Rock and Roll Lifestyle and Jolene. This was released in mid 1993 as well as the second cassette EP.

Following this, Frank and Gabe left CAKE, and were replaced by Vic (who left 23 to do so) and Todd.

Session again started up at Pus Cavern in October 1993, continuing through January 1994. These provided the rest of the Motorcade album, released in April 1994 on Stamen Music. So, it is Vic and Todd on the rest of the songs on the album. Other songs recorded included "Sheep Go To Heaven", "Short Skirt", and "Exotic Love".

After the band was picked up by Capricorn, the cd was again released in April 1995. It was also remastered by Don Tyler and re-reissued in the late 90s, as near as I can tell from the copy I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mutantmoose (talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More photos on Commons[edit]

Wikimedia Commons has media related to Cake (band).

I recently added some photos to Commons, including shots that include more of the band members. Perhaps File:WWDC09-Cake-15 (4694802725).jpg could replace the photo of McCrea in the infobox. I haven't yet identified the drummer however. Cheers, --Animalparty-- (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I think the drummer may be Tom Monson [1], who played on Showroom of Compassion --Animalparty-- (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Animalparty: works for me! Edit away; thanks for the images :). Ironholds (talk) 01:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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How did you find out about Cake[edit]

I was with my cousin and she showed me a song about them and I fell in love with your music and I am still in love — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.121.230 (talk) 16:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative to what?[edit]

"Cake (stylized CAKE) is an American alternative rock band"

Alternative to what?

I came to this page to find out what kind of music they play. I never did and probably never will understand the terms "Alternative band" and "Alternative rock". Do they even mean anything at all? ---Dagme (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming good faith, yes, alternative rock has a well-established meaning as alternative to mainstream rock. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter McNeal pedo drummer and arrest.[edit]

Why wasn't that 2014 conviction fact included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.158.212.202 (talk) 16:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because he left the band in 2004. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Introductory section too long?[edit]

As someone just investigating the band, the opening section seems too long as an introductory paragraph. I'm a neophyte to their music and may come across as being harsh, but I would think the opening paragraphs don't need to list all their albums or personnel changes. I should think it would be sufficient to say when they were formed, who the founders were, what they're known for, a list of some of their albums (not all), who the current personnel are, and an "as of this writing their most recent recording is..." Frank Lynch (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Inactive" inaccuracy[edit]

At the moment the article says the following:

"On October 25, 2018, the band released the music video for 'Sinking Ship," also announcing that money raised by single sales would go towards Doctors Without Borders.[113] The band have been inactive since then, and as of January 2021 no new studio album has been announced"

This isn't entirely active, the band has been doing live shows, released a vinyl single of 'Sinking Ship' which also included a new song (a cover of "Age of Aquarius"), and I believe released "Age of Aquarius" on Apple Music in some territories (although not in mine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.203.247 (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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