Talk:Calvin and Hobbes

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles that are spoken on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 
Former featured article Calvin and Hobbes is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Good article Calvin and Hobbes has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Main Page trophy This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 7, 2004.
WikiWorld icon.JPG Calvin and Hobbes was featured in a WikiWorld cartoon:
(click image to the right for full size version.)
Calvin wikiworld.jpg
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Comics / Strips (Rated GA-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! If you like to participate, you can help with the current tasks, visit the notice board, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project's talk page.
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the Comic strips work group.
 

This article has comments here.

WikiProject Comedy (Rated GA-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comedy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of comedy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

This article has comments here.

WikiProject Animals in media (Rated GA-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Animals in media, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of animals' presence in literature, movies, television, and theatre on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
Wikipedia Version 1.0 Editorial Team / v0.5
WikiProject icon This article has been reviewed by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team.
Taskforce icon
This article has been selected for Version 0.5 and subsequent release versions of Wikipedia.
 
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the quality scale.
This article has an assessment summary page.

Wasteful Talk Pages[edit]

While it says this is not a forum for the articles subject that's pretty much what it has become. Opinionated conversations and irrelevent material have dominated the forum. I suggest that anything posted before March 2011 should be archived. TAS1957 (talk) 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you User:Alexf. TAS1957 (talk) 16 August 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 19:46, 16 August 2011 (UTC).

What was its top circulation?[edit]

In how many papers did "Calvin and Hobbes" appear at the height of its circulation?97.73.64.153 (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I think 2,400, but I can't remember where I read that.Madeleined2 (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Tim Hulsizer's fan site[edit]

There are FOUR links to Tim Hulsizer's fan site, Calvin and Hobbes: Magic on Paper, in the footnotes alone — we don't need a FIFTH one in External links. That's promotional and it's overlinkage to a single site (which contains unlicensed copyrighted material, by the way). --Tenebrae (talk) 05:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Hobbes and Bacon[edit]

Should the article may include a reference to the fan comic strip "Hobbes and Bacon"? These two blogposts describe the comic stribs [1] [2].--Modgamers (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Not in my opinion. Ckruschke (talk) 17:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
I think it's popular enough to be relevant. I actually came to this article to find information about it (couldn't remember the name). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.53.59 (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
If you think it's popular/notable enough to mention you need to prove it. This is the first time I've ever heard of it. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 04:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't think this is notable, and also not authored by Bill Waterson or related to original C&H. --TheMandarin (talk) 09:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Hobbes and Bacon's popularity is directly related to the lasting impact the original comic had on us all. One finds it hard not to get choked up at these wonderful additions to the Calvin and Hobbes Lore. I for one think these should be included at the bottom of the article. "Hobbes and Bacon 1" "Hobbes and Bacon 2" "Hobbes and Bacon 3" "Hobbes and Bacon 4" Dennis M. Myers (talk) 00:44, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Emotional reactions should have no impact on deciding whether or not links should be added. It's a fan work with no proven notability. It does not belong in this article. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 15:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

add awards?[edit]

I noticed that several other comic pages include a list of awards the comic strip has one.

Calvin and Hobbes has won numerous awards, but none of them are listed here. However, they are listed on Bill Watterson's biography page.

Should we just copy that section and paste it onto here as well? Explorser (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

No - if it's already on another page, simply put in a statement about the awards and link it to Watterson's page. Ckruschke (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
Thank you, I recently did so. Feel free to look in the history section for the edit. Explorser (talk) 02:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Top Importance?[edit]

There's a discussion on which comic-related articles should be listed as "Top Importance" on the importance scale, and I feel this article should not be included. If any user disagrees or wishes to contribute, please do so there. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Calvin and Hobbes/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I feel doubtful that this article still meets the GAC. First of all, it fails 2b because a) there are {{Citation needed}} tags in the "Style and influences" and "Books" sections and b) according to a maintenance tag (which has been in the article since March), there are primary sources throughout the article. GAs should have neither unsourced information nor primary sources. Anyway, that's my review. Interlude 65 (Push to talk) 03:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

  • I've removed the BS {{primary sources}}: primary sources are fine when used for what they contain without introducing other analysis (just like every other source, which is why I continue to maintain that the "primary/secondary/tertiary" distinction is mostly useless), and it appears that these are. But the sourcing could certainly use work—there's a weird mix of short-form refs and full refs to some sources, and some lack page numbers in places, and unsourced statements both flagged and unflagged. Anomie 11:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree the article no longer meets the criteria. Jinkinson talk to me 15:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The HSK[edit]

A problem I have stumbled upon in the somewhat recent past is that the date of the new name's appearance is/was wrong. I have found that the date I always find it referred to is May 5, 1991, which is inaccurate. The real date for the strip in question is June 21, 1992. I know this for a fact because it is in the free-form half-page panel format, a format the Universal Press Syndicate only allowed Watterson to use after his first sabbatical, which started on May 6, 1991, the very next day. The thing that frustrates me is that whenever I attempt to fix this error, SOMEONE- (I don't know who) almost always changes the date from June 21, 1992- the correct date, to May 5, 1991, the wrong one. Please feel free to add comments and questions below. P.S. If they change it back again, I will report this incident to the administrators. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.84.7 (talkcontribs) 23:49, 18 July 2013‎

What you "know" isn't important on Wikipedia. But it happens that The Complete Calvin & Hobbes says it's June 21, 1992, so I've replaced the incorrect GoComics reference with the TCCH one. RossPatterson (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Just making sure, you own a copy of the complete collection and it was definitely published in June? I was the one who was changing it back (and you can see who made what changes by click the "View history" button by the search bar) so I just want to be 100% certain on this so that I know better next time. I had originally thought that the GoComics source had simply made a mistake since they had the HSK strip for both May '91 and June '92, and some searching on the Internet seemed to confirm that. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 16:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes. I had the book open in front of me when I typed the citation :-) And in fact, TCCH notes at the bottom of v. 3 p. 225, which ends with the strip from May 4, 1991, "Bill Watterson goes on sabbatical until February 1992", and the next strip (v. 3 p. 227) is February 2, 1992. So there never was a May 5, 1991 strip. RossPatterson (talk) 14:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Cool, thanks for letting me know. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 14:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Contemporary United States[edit]

Currently, the intro says, "Calvin and Hobbes is set in the contemporary United States in an unspecified suburban area," which seemed strange for a comic that hasn't been published in almost 2 decades. Should we add "then-contemporary" or something like that? 76.95.194.202 (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Late 20th century? Everyking (talk) 02:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Everyking. it's possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superdude122 (talkcontribs) 17:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
He's not saying that "it's possible", he's just asking for a possible alternate wording. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The Noodle Incident[edit]

the thing that really boggles my mind is that Bill Watterson doesn't explain what the noodle incident is. not even Wikipedia (I apologize) knows. and it knows everything! so I have racked up a list of possible noodle incident theories.

- Calvin brought spaghetti for lunch, but accidently tripped while holding the spaghetti, and it fell on the teacher. - Calvin smuggled in a water pistol and wanted to shoot people with it, but he accidently shot the oven that was making the noodles, and it exploded noodles everywhere. - related to one of the comics, Calvin ordered lunch, and it was manicotti. so, to avoid eating it, he stuffed into his shirt, then opened his shirt to Susie Derkins, pretending his intestines were bursting out of his stomach wall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superdude122 (talkcontribs) 17:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

No fan theories, please. It's left unknown/vague on purpose. See this. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
i think it's okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superdude122 (talkcontribs) 18:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
It's not, per Wikipedia policy. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
This is not the place for general discussion or theorizing, per WP:NOTFORUM. Please keep discussions on the talk page relevant to improving the article. Thanks. G S Palmer (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Move Protected?[edit]

I noticed this article is move protected and was wondering if that's still needed since it doesn't seem any issues with unauthorized/undiscussed moves have made it onto this talk page over the past three years. Maybe there's some issue I'm not aware of. If it's to protect this article from well-meaning IP's, I'm all for it; I just find it odd that I can't find any discussion within the past three or four years on this page about this issue. Luthien22 (talk) 03:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Looks like way back in 2008 (according to this log) there was some vandalism trouble, so an admin just move protected because he figured that there would be no reason to remove it. Were you thinking about moving it? TheStickMan[✆Talk] 07:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The article's fine; I just thought that if there hadn't been any trouble within a reasonable amount of time, there's no reason for it to stay protected. Honestly, I'm not sure what people would even want to move this to. The title is pretty self-explanatory. Luthien22 (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
That looks like that was the admin's logic actually. No one would ever have any reason to move the article to a different title, so no one would really have much to complain if it was move protected. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 14:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)