Talk:Campeonato Brasileiro Série A

FIFA, Conmebol, CBF and STJD say: Sport Recife Brazilian champion of 1987!

STJD(Supreme Court of Sporting Justice),CBF(Brazilian Football Confederation) : http://200.159.15.35/seriea/campeoes.aspx Conmebol(South American Football Confederation) : http://www.conmebol.com/articulos_ver.jsp?id=58115&slangab=S and FIFA(International Federation of Association Football) : http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/brazil2014/destination/cities/city=6099/index.html

They all say that the Brazilian champion of 1987 is the SPORT CLUB DO RECIFE

This was widely discussed here. I think booth of teams should be declared champions, since 2 championships runned that year. --Ragnarok Addict (talk) 20:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The current shape of the article is better, as it follows a well-known international reliable source (RSSSF), and users from different countries (thus not biased by the Brazilian press or Brazilian websites) agreed with this change. --Carioca (talk) 20:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Change in the map

I changed the map of location of the clubs because Gremio Prudente, former Barueri, has moved from Barueri to Presidente Prudente (something new in Brazil because teams are not franchises there. Well, this club seems to be a franchise...) Mateus RM ^talk 22:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Carioca (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracies?

Greetings,

Seeing as the CBF has now recognized the winners of past tournaments as Brazilian champions, it makes me wonder about the accuracy of some data. We know the first Brazilian champ was crowned in 1959, but is it accurate to say that the Serie A actually founded in 1959? Maybe all the name changes is the formation of a new league with the same purpose. If that's the case, wouldn't the Serie A be founded in 2003 when it became a double round-robin format? I want to open this discussion to eliminate some doubt because changing the date from 1971 to 1959 could/would be like changing the date of foundation of the Premier League from 1992 to 1888, the first year an English football championship was held. Digirami (talk) 00:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The Série A was founded in 1971. In 2003 it was just a competition format change. The Taça Brasil and the Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa were different competitions, they were not originally recognized as the Série A, they were just the national championships played from 1959 to 1970, but CBF considers then now as part of the Série A. Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 18:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Does the CBF really consider them part of the Serie A, or did they just recognize the past winners as Brazilian champions? If it is there former, can you please indicate where the CBF said that because there is a big difference to both. Digirami (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The Champions beetwen 1959 and 1970 are now regarded as Seria A Champions. They MUST be retrated hear as it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.59.197.227 (talk) 23:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Brazilian champion pre-1971 and Serie A champion are not necessarily the same thing. If they are, that hasn't been clearly established. What is definitively established that the Taca Brazil and Robertao champions are official Brazilian champions. Digirami (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The Champions before 1971 are now considered champions of Serie A. There was no Serie A, B or C before 1974 So, 1971, 1972 and 1973 are not also champions of Serie A? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.59.210.88 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Serie A champion and Brazilian champion are not necessarily one in the same. Before 1971, you can be the Brazilian champion and not be considered a Serie A champ. Think of it like Premier League, in that it is a new tournament for a different purpose. That's why they say Liverpool has never won the Premier League, but have been the English champion 18 times. Santos won the Taca Brasil in the 1960s, not the Serie A. Different tournaments for the same purpose. Digirami (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but the Serie A didn't start at 1971, only in 1974. Shouldn't we chance 1971 to 1974? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.59.187.183 (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Be the champion of Robertao and Taca Brasil means now be the champion of Serie A. And there was no Serie A, B or C in the years 1973-1979, 1987 and 2000. In these years, there was only Campeonato Brasileiro. So what should we do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.59.187.183 (talk) 04:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

On January 4, 2011, CBF posted this news. Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 18:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Brasileirao petrobras.png image

The logo File:Brasileirao petrobras.png does not seem to be official, as I was unable to find it in CBF's page, and it was not depicted in any game of the 2010 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A. Probably this logo should not stay in the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A article. --Carioca (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, the logo has been deleted anyway. --Carioca (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

CBF recognized Flamengo's 1997 title

CBF officially recognized Flamengo's 1987 Copa União title, see this page. --Carioca (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)