Talk:Cancer Research UK
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Request for changes by CRUK
Cancer Research UK would like to suggest the following edits to its Wikipedia entry:
Add Scottish charity number: (registered charity number in England and Wales: 1089464 and in Scotland: SC041666)
Insert the following paragraph beneath Imperial Cancer Research Fund paragraph:
The Cancer Research Campaign
In the 1920s, a group of doctors and scientists from the ICRF wanted to focus more heavily on clinical research rather than fundamental lab research. They formed a new charity, the British Empire Cancer Campaign, later renamed The Cancer Research Campaign. Decades later, the two organisations would merge, forming Cancer Research UK in 2002.
Under ‘Research’: In the financial year 2009/10 the charity spent £334 million on cancer research projects   (around 65% of its total budget). (Note to Wikipedia editors: The 65% is not representative of how the charity processes donations as it includes retail. For every pound the charity receives, excluding its retail chain, 80 pence is available to spend on its work. In addition to the £334 million on research, in 2009/10 the charity spent a further £14 million on cancer information and advocacy. See the Annual Report and Accounts  or p22-23 of the Annual Review . )
The charity funds the work of over 4,000…
Around 40% of the charity’s research expenditure goes on basic laboratory research…
Under ‘Fundraising’: 44,500 regular volunteers
- You're at liberty to make these and any other changes yourself provided you don't turn the article into an advertisement! Conflict of interest is usually only taken to arise when a substantial quantity of material is added or removed by an editor who is involved with the subject, potentially leading to a non-neutral article. That doesn't seem to apply here, especially since you made it clear on the talk page. I'd suggest you use an edit summary along the lines of "factual material plus references added by CRUK staff member - see talk page". That way, if anyone objects they can easily alter it. andy (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed the advert written here on the Talk Page. The talk pages are here for a reason to talk and discuss the article not some scam medicine.
Fair use rationale for Image:Logo cancer research uk.png
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I would be grateful for views:
The following edit was criticised as "Extreme POV" (with which I would respectfully disagree), and I would like to suggest a redraft taking into account the criticisms made.
Original: "Cancer Research UK engages for-profit third party telephone fundraising companies to make unsolicited calls to supporters and potential supporters. In 2009, it was widely reported in the national press that great offence was caused to one recipient of such a call who was battling terminal cancer. Following this incident, and a Daily Mirror report on the questionable tactics employed by fund raising companies, Cancer Research temporarily suspended the use of its fundraising agencies GoGen and Pell and Bales, but has since re-engaged telephone fundraisers."
Upon re-reading, I would agree that the words "questionable tactics" represent POV and ought not feature in the edit. Nevertheless, I do feel that it is a fact worth mentioning that CRUK make use of third party fundraisers, and I would suggest that these third party fundraisers are the main 'face' of the charity for many members of the public.
Are any views held regarding the following redraft, intended to address the criticisms levelled at the original?
Redraft: "Cancer Research UK engages for-profit third party telephone fundraising companies to make unsolicited calls to supporters and potential supporters, which was criticised in the national press in 2009 [insert link to Mirror article etc]. Cancer Research temporarily suspended the use of its fundraising agencies GoGen and Pell and Bales in 2009, but has since re-engaged telephone fundraisers." Wikip-ian-dia (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know why you have it in for CRUK. Name me a major charity that does not use third party fund raisers. They all knock on your door, shove tins in your face in the street, telephone you or send unsolicited mail. By mentioning one minor incident, which was immediately tackled by CRUK, you give the impression that they are in some way dodgy. I'll bet that every major charity has had incidents like this, possibly leading to complaints, but don't forget that every UK charity is regulated and if they do anything seriously wrong the regulators come down on them like a ton of bricks. My edit summary said "There are no reliable sources showing that this is significant issue". Now if you can find any comments from the Charities Commission that CRUK engages in shady and underhand tactics that's a whole different story... andy (talk) 13:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not seeking to give the impression that CRUK are dodgy, and would disagree that this could be inferred from my redraft. I feel it is reasonable to state the fact that CRUK use third party fundraisers in the article, and the fact that other charities also use third party fundraisers is not sufficient to deny inclusion of the fact that CRUK do. By way of analogy, all football teams have stadia, yet this would not justify the removal of references to the Emirates Stadium from the Arsenal article.
Nevertheless, in order to further minimise the possibility of the section being read in this way, I would propose the following redraft:
"Cancer Research UK engages for-profit third party telephone fundraising companies to make unsolicited calls to supporters and potential supporters. Cancer Research temporarily suspended the use of its fundraising agencies GoGen and Pell and Bales in 2009, but has since re-engaged telephone fundraisers."
I hope this redraft removes any perceived suggestion that there is any issue with CRUK using 3rd party fundraisers, and consequently removes any perceived need for reference to Charity Commission comment on the matter. (Perhaps incidentally, I would also disagree with the statement "if [charities] do anything seriously wrong the regulators come down on them like a ton of bricks").
Finally, I would like to state that I do not "have it in for CRUK". The comment does not assume good faith, which I understand is one of the principles on which Wikipedia is built.
- It was a banal incident with zero consequences. By adding it to the article you indicate that it is noteworthy. Your argument about football stadia is back to front because this discussion is about how readers will interpret that addition of information to an article. The equivalent would actually be something like "Arsenal sell tickets through third parties. After complaints about counterfeiting, Arsenal severed their relationship with one such reseller" - this would give the misleading impression that Arsenal is unusual in the way it sells its tickets, that the club mismanages the process and that some at least of the resellers may be engaged in criminal activity."
BBC - Cancer charity 'tidies' Wikipedia
Cancer Research UK is turning its specialists loose on the internet to get them to tidy up the online encyclopedia - Wikipedia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12887075 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just for the record, Cancer Research UK brought in a team of experienced Wikipedians (including myself) from Wikimedia UK to train them how to engage with Wikipedia and to help them make their first edits. We have stayed in occasional touch since. Just as with any Wikipedia training we deliver, we have included advice on neutrality and conflict of interest policies, and as a result the CRUK staff are well aware of these issues. The training has been openly documented on the Wikimedia UK site. The involvement of Cancer Research UK staff in reviewing and improving Wikipedia articles is clearly a very positive thing for the encyclopedia. They're not merely allowed to contribute; they're welcome to. MartinPoulter (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Infobox date format
The date format in the infobox is inconsistent with the rest of the article and different from the original date format used in the article. This article already used dmy format when the infobox was added  (4 February 2002 used in the lead), as it has done since 2006  so the inconsistent date format in the infobox should have been corrected at the time per WP:DATERET. January (talk) 07:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- The date in the infobox currently reads as February 4, 2002 which is US format (see WP:STRONGNAT) and is inconsistent with the date format in the lead, which was there several years before the infobox was added. If no further objections are raised I intend to amend it to show as 4 February 2002. January (talk) 08:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
2013/14 Annual Report now out
The CRUK 2013/14 Annual Report is now out. COI issues I think prevent me from updating the figures etc in the article, which are now 3 years out of date (I did update the revenue to last year's previously). All available here Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:36, 22 July 2014 (UTC)