|WikiProject Medicine||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
|This page was nominated for deletion on 3 March 2008. The result of the discussion was speedy keep and expand.|
I just wanted to say that the reason I rated this as having low importance for the WPMED project is because a list of people who have/had cancer and are still living is not that important to that project. Please don't take it personally. WhatamIdoing 00:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If this article survives its AfD, then http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11468&page=23 might make an interesting source. I think "page 30" will be interesting: it appears that this is an Americanism. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Criticism of use of word "survivor"
I don't want to to rain on anyone's parade, but in my practice, where I see about 70 patients per week with no sign of residual cancer, there is no description of anything like an epiphany or similar. Most of these patients are completely unsentimental, and simply glad to be getting on with their normal lives after a worrying diagnosis and a possibly unpleasant treatment. The main transormation is that some of them cut down on the cigarettes and alcohol. Does the first para of this article really strike the right tone?Jellytussle (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- That paragraph has always bothered me. For one thing, I think it better describes the class of "survivors" that don't really believe that they're likely to survive (a class that might include most people at the moment of diagnosis, but few of them ten years later). Crisis, such as a perception of impending death due to uncontrolled disease, can lend clarity to some aspects of life. Those past that crisis point and truly surviving are the ones who will say things like, "Eh, I had a little spot of skin cancer twenty years ago; it was stressful at the time, but I've moved on".
- For another, I think the paragraph tends to confer an inappropriate aura of sainthood on people that have done nothing laudable, but who merely got sick through either their own bad choices or what we might call "bad luck" (random chance or genetics).
- On the other hand, I think that the "life-changing" aspect could probably be supported. Concrete lifestyle changes might seem small, like spending less time in the sun or somewhat reducing tobacco exposures, but they do seem to be real. Other changes, such as getting prescribed surveillance tests or coping with treatment effects (e.g., limb amputation for osteosarcoma), are also "life-changing". Do you have a preferred way to re-write it? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to add an external link to whatididtosurvive.com, because it's a candid blog about the various strategies that a patient did in order to survive a poor cancer prognosis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhondadabrams (talk • contribs) 02:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
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- I'd just been thinking about that possibility yesterday, and I support the merge. What do you think about categorizing the redirect, so that the term appears in (for example) Category:Cancer survivors? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Category:Fictional cancer survivors
I wonder a bit about the phrase "actively dying" in the first paragraph. It seems a bit odd to me because dying is not really an activity that you're actively engaged in, but rather a process that happens to you. You're an undergoer or a patient, not an agent. I know what it's trying to say but I think it should be reworded. I couldn't come up with a better wording myself, though. -- pne (talk) 13:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's the standard phrase in the "industry". Active dying means a particular thing to professionals. "Active dying" refers to the last couple of days, in which the death process is truly happening. See this summary for a list of the signs.
- I can see why people make this complaint about the definition: "Wow! What a cancer survivor! Well, the nurse says he'll probably die in the next 12 to 24 hours, so how about we tell the rest of the family to plan on his funeral being on Thursday?" WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)