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CapitAl?[edit]

Might want to check the spelling on that one. Political seats are CapitOls.

From the Wiki on "Capital": "In politics, a capital (also called capital city or political capital — although the latter phrase has an alternative meaning based on an alternative meaning of "capital") is the principal city or town associated with its government. It is almost always the city which physically encompasses the offices and meeting places of the seat of government and fixed by law. The word capital is derived from the Latin caput meaning "head," and the related term capitol refers to the building where government-business is chiefly conducted." People around here refer to the area as "Capital District," and the building where the Governor works as The Capitol. --Gnhn 17:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Population and Definitions[edit]

I added the population of the Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA, and noted that it is also defined to include Montgomery and Schoharie Counties. Tweaked some of the language to make it clear that "Capital District" is a semi-official, somewhat amorphous term. Deleted reference to CDTA since it seemed out of place as the only public service agency mentione: there are many public agencies serving the region, not just that one. Perhaps an external link, if someone knows it? --Gnhn 14:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The article states- "The Capital District is a large component of the Albany-Schenectady-Troy Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) which, as defined by the Office of Management and Budget, includes the four aforementioned counties as well as Schoharie County." Leaving the impression that Troy is the name of the county, Troy is a city in Rensselaer County, and the county seat as well, but is not the name of the county, where as Albany and Schenectady do have the advantage of being the names of the counties in which those cities reside. And now I just realized that it says "four" counties...this must be from when someone snuck in the name Saratoga on the end of the MSA title...It'll be longer but I think just putting "includes Albany, Rensselaer, Saratoga, Schenectady, and Schoharie counties" would be best.Camelbinky 18:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm editing the communities section, AGAIN. It's been awhile since I did a complete censoring of it, people have been changing it around putting in populations that are completely false. Saratoga Springs has an estimated population of 25,000, half of what is stated in the article's list. It is NOT a primary city, the metro name is Albany-Schenectady-Troy. I have noticed alot of Albany area articles having false information inserted to make Saratoga Springs/Saratoga county look bigger or more important. Please stop! Camelbinky (talk) 04:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
With my editing I'm putting in the article the population estimates for 2000 based on what appears on the particular city/town/village's article here in wikipedia so that anyone who keeps wanting to move or change the populations will have to cite a new source and prove that the other article is wrong. I'm also (AGAIN) removing any villages/towns/cities from any place outside of Albany, Rensselaer, Saratoga, or Schenectady counties. There can be an argument made for including Schoharie since it is in the metro area as defined by the census bureau, if anyone wants to return them, feel free to do so and say so here please, so i know its an issue someone cares about. Having Columbia, Greene, and Montgomery places makes the list waaaaaay too long and adds places that most people in Albany, Colonie, or Troy or anywhere else in the heart of the Capital District probably has never been to and many places they only vaguely are aware of and some they may have never heard of, especially when you get to places in western Montgomery County (which don't even pick up Albany radio stations and often shop, work, etc in Utica, not the Capital District). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camelbinky (talkcontribs) 04:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


I went through ALOT of effort to clean up the list of communities! someone reverted it back! THERE IS FALSE INFORMATION IN THE CURRENT LIST, DO NOT RETURN IT AFTER I CHANGE IT PLEASE! The population on Saratoga Springs is false and i added alot of important info on population. Please explain why it was changed back whoever did it. I am reverting it to my version. Check the individual articles on the cities listed to prove my populations and that Saratoga Springs DOES NOT have 55,000 people, it is close to 26,000. Camelbinky (talk) 11:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The same unsigned person keeps messing with this page, they continue to put Saratoga Springs back at 60,000 and are now putting the Town of Colonie at 30,000. I dont know where they are getting their information and why they continue to do this. Is there anyway to block them or report them? Camelbinky (talk) 22:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

No Population Stat??[edit]

The article mentions that: "the Capital District also comprises the Albany-Schenectady-Troy Metro Area which is ranked the 135th largest in North America", however it does not actually say what the population of The Capital District or the Albany-Schenectady-Troy Metro Area actually is. I think that's a substantial over-sight. Niether does the article mention or link to any list of the other large metro areas in North America. I think this information should be added. People would likely want such a basic statitic as the population of this region and especially the population of the Greater Albany Metro area. - Anonymous Wikipedia User, 2.10.06

Capital-Saratoga Area[edit]

I removed this term from the opening line ("also known as the Capital-Saratoga Area"). I've lived here for 10 years and have never heard that term. I don't think it belongs in the first line of the article, if anywhere at all. There are no mentions of it on alt.culture.ny.upstate. Anyone have an evidence/experience to back up the inclusion of that term? --Patik 20:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoever keeps putting Saratoga Springs on the end of the name of the metropolitan statistical area needs to stop. It is Albany-Schenectady-Troy. This is the official census name, check the census bureau website or any almanac. This has been occuring in many Albany related websites. No amount of wanting to promote your home city will change the fact that census regulations determine what cities are the central cities and Saratoga Springs does not meet those standards. The census bureau determines names, not individuals on wikipedia.

Not from the area, but went to college in the area in the mid-late 1980's. I remember hearing the term occasionally then because of the growth in areas like Clifton Park compared to the rest of the region. But I imagine nowadays it's really just an outer suburban component of the Capital District. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.179.96.86 (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

My definition of Capital District[edit]

My definition includes the following counties:

--Kuroki Mio 2006 23:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Im going to edit through the list of communities, it says it is incomplete, I personally say it has too much! There are communities listed that are outside what the general definition in the article says is the capital district. I believe it should be limited to only towns, villages, and cities within albany, schenectady, rensselaer, and saratoga counties and exclude columbia, greene, washington, warren, montgomery, and fulton counties. does anyone else have an opinion? And also i would like to take out the hamlets, anything that isnt incorporated and therefore a government to be contacted or looked up shouldnt really be listed, otherwise to be fair we'd have to put in EVERY community/neighborhood in each city (ie- south troy and lansingburh neighborhoods of troy, the south end, arbor hill, and pine hills of albany, hamilton hill, the stockade, and woodlawn sections of schenectady) just to make them equal to neighborhoods in towns that get listed just because they are in towns and not cities. 24.182.142.254 15:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Also- if someone could edit the map to make Saratoga county red I believe that there isnt anyone claiming Saratoga county is not a part of the capital district, at least not the southern part, especially waterford, halfmoon, clifton park, and mechanicville
What does anyone think about changing the link from the Albany, NY article from being through the Albany-Schenectady-Amsterdam CSA to being from the Albany-Schenctady-Troy MSA, no one really has heard of the first one, but everyone knows "Albany-Schenectady-Troy area" ie- the tri-cities. Many dont even believe that Amsterdam is part of the Capital District as evidenced by the opening section and the map accompanying it. Any opinions?Camelbinky 01:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that the "Capital region/district" sphere of cultural influence is really defined by communities falling within AM/FM and television range of the city, because honestly what else is there that culturally binds people in Albany? The only things I can think of is... You go to SUNY or St. Rose... You work for the State... Or your local stations are 6, 10, and 13. Pittsfield, for example, is pretty commonly visited and is a "familiar name" to people in the Albany area even though it isn't even in New York State. With Saratoga Springs, Clifton Park, and all those northern suburban sprawls it's the same thing. Even as far north as Queensbury and Lake George people commonly travel to Albany to go to the malls or whatever. People from Altamont or Guilderland or whatever travel to Lake George more often than the Catskill mountains even though the Catskills are right next door. Why? Because television and radio signals from Albany don't penetrate into the Catskills because of the Helderburg Hills.MartinDuffy 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

List[edit]

The list of "cities" will quickly get out of hand again and get waaaaaaaaay too long if we allow every hamlet and neighborhood to be included. I have renamed the list to "Incorporated Cities, Towns, and Villages" to limit it to only places with governments. Perhaps two separate articles could be created, one on a list of incorporated places in the capital district (and could include not just the Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA but also the other counties in the greater Albany area like Washington, Warren, Greene, Columbia, Montgomery, etc that are currently not in the list on this page) removing it from this article; and another page on hamlets in that same geographic area. My rationale for not having hamlets is that it unfairly lists what are just neighborhoods or housing subdivisions in the various towns but then neighborhoods in the central cities that have larger populations are excluded. Hamlets and city neighborhoods are listed in the articles on each town and city they reside in.Camelbinky (talk) 23:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Name of article[edit]

I propose that the name of this article be changed to identify its location, and to differentiate it from many other "Capital Districts" and/or Capitol Districts or Capital Regions, etc., in the world. For this purpose, it would suffice to move this article from "Capital District" to "Capital District, New York". But perhaps there are even better names. doncram (talk) 02:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

This user just brought up this point at the newly created Capital District wikiproject. Apparently when it was brought to their attention the wikiproject was taking its name from this article they decided to bring the issue here. This page has been under this name since it was created almost 5 years ago (less by one month). In 5 years no one has objected, no one has suggested, no one questioned. Apparently the wikiproject hit a nerve and brought this to someone's attention. Yes, there are other capital districts, but I see no instance of a particular capitalized official name. Wikipedia guidelines are clear on seniority and priority, the name goes to the most likely article people would be looking for, if there is no clear priority it goes to whatever article got to the name first. This article obviously got the name first, and I would argue that it is the most likely name people would look for. Capital district without the "D" capitalized is already a disambiguation page and is the way anyone would type it if they were looking for "capital district" in general. To give up this name just to have a redirect to a disambiguation page that already exists would be ridiculous. Is there any other reason to give up this name when a disambiguation page that is functioning just fine exists? Not every place needs parentheses to say exactly where it is. Otherwise we'll have to rename Chicago as Chicago, Illinois, same with Boston, Tokyo, or Paris. Come on, even Paris has more than just geographical connotations, what if someone really wanted Paris from the Homer epic or Paris from Shakespeare and got sent to the article on Paris, France! Common sense and the extra click of a mouse button on a new link isnt that inconvenient. Ill add a heading at the top of the page directing people who may be looking for other capital districts to capital district.Camelbinky (talk) 03:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
"This user"??? You can just call me Doncram. And you state the situation as if you need to report on me, for having come across the issue in another forum. In that forum, I explicitly stated that i was raising this issue here.
Anyhow, I take it you feel a lot of ownership over this article and I will respect that to some degree. Meaning, I understand that any move/rename will be controversial for you, so if a discussion to some consensus is not reached here then it would be appropriate to raise at wp:RM, the requested moves forum for controversial moves. By the way, in controversial move discussions, I believe that it generally holds no water whether one person grabbed a name for an article first.
And thanks for pointing me to the Capital district article which i had not yet found my way to. Certainly, if you believe that the greater Albany region / New York State Capital District is primary or very important, it should be mentioned in the "Capital district" article, which it is not. As it appears now, the New York Capital District appears less important than all of many others. I certainly suggest you remedy that appropriately.
If this region were to be renamed for clarity, can you comment on whether you prefer "New York Capital District" / "New York State Capital District" / "Capital District, New York" / "Capital District, New York State" / or variations using parentheses instead? doncram (talk) 03:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, well here's how I see it. Capital District is a title, which seems to be unique among places that are known by the general term capital district. While New York's Capital District is not listed in capital district, it is listed in capital region, another general term, not title. Washington, D.C. is noted in the capital district article, but this is mainly due to the fact that it's a designated federal district. Having lived there for four years, I know it's also known as the National Capital District or the National Capital Region (similar to this case, known as the Capital Region or Capital District). While I don't have a WP:V source to prove it, I've never heard the National Capital District referred to as the Capital District, nor National Capital Region to Capital Region - they always seemed to be careful about that for some reason. I'm sure it had nothing to do with this Capital District, only that they wanted to keep everyone knowledgeable that they were talking about DC (and maybe not Annapolis or Richmond??). I can understand why this may turn out to be slightly controversial, but I wouldn't support a name change unless I was given some evidence of other locations that would conflict with this title. So far, none of those given as examples seem to meet that need. If a name change does occur, I would strongly choose New York Capital District. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 04:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Also, let's play nice... hehe ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 04:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I apologize for the use of "this user" and not your name, I thought it would be more rude to refer to you by name, for that I was wrong. (You can refer to me as "that jerk" if it makes you feel better). I do not claim ownership of this article or any others as well, I have collaborated with Wadester16 on this article and others and never thought I had priority over him or anyone else. I never thought I needed to report on you, Doncram, you are doing what wikipedia is meant for. I was trying to bring up facts in support of keeping the name both to your attention and to others. I am glad that it helped bring to your attention the capital districts and capital regions pages. I guess you were a part of the now-defunct Syracuse wikiproject, as a fellow Syracuse college football fan (hopes that helps get you on our side), I can tell you that this wikiproject has a much better shot, not to insult Syracuse in anyway. Hudson Valley wikiproject tends to be dominated by downstaters and overlook Albany, to many of them there Albany is not a part of the project and I'm willing to take Albany and related articles out of that wikiproject if overlap is a problem, then the issue becomes renaming Hudson Valley as Lower Hudson Valley. Would that perhaps be a good compromise for you, Doncram? As for the article title and this wikiproject if a renaming is made mandatory I agree with wadester16 for new york capital district.Camelbinky (talk) 04:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree - Syracuse is a city. This is a whole region. I also agree that the Hudson Valley (WikiProject or not) is downstate-centric to begin with. As I said, technically the Hudson Valley extends far into the Adirondack Mountains, but little acknowledgement is given to anyplace north of, say, Kingston. The only random reference is in Troy: Hudson Valley Community College. I've added the project template to a number of articles for lack of something better - now we have something better. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 04:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea why there is any discussion about Syracuse or its WikiProject here, that is entirely irrelevant to discussion of what the name for this article should be. Also, about what is the Hudson Valley, for this article name's purposes. I don't mean to be argumentative, either. To reiterate, I think the article should be moved to Capital District, New York or to New York Capital District. I don't currently understand any distinct reasons why it should not be so renamed. Am I missing a good argument or another about the rename, in the above? doncram (talk) 05:04, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
What you are missing is that this is the ONLY place that calls itself "Capital District", and to reach this article you MUST capitalize the D in district or else you wont get to this page. This makes it HIGHLY unlikely someone looking for the generic term capital district will make it to this page by accident. The biggest complaint on wanting an article's name changed is that people are looking for something other than what is currently there and getting pissed. No one has complained, none of the editors of any other article that might have a greivance have stepped forward. In legalese- you lack standing; but obviously in wikipedia EVERYONE has standing to complain. You have not put forth what you want to do with this article title if (and to be honest, its a big and unlikely if) this article is renamed. The name of the region is not Capital District, New York or any of the other suggestions given, I have never seen an article given a name that isnt actually used. I know Syracuse, New York and Syracuse, Sicily have had a long standing feud everywhere about the use of the Syracuse page and how the one in Sicily wants the page for their city instead of a disamb. and its degenerated into whose city is better, I've been following the feud for a long time, its really quite funny (mostly the arguments put forth by the Sicilians, I'm most definitely on NY's side). This is not the same thing, there is no second party feeling grieved and wanting use of this title. Doncram, could perhaps the two issues be related? No one from a capital district from around the world has stepped forward saying their article needs the page or this should become yet again ANOTHER redirect to capital districts and territories (there are already lots and lots). I'm already getting ready to merge capital regions into capital districts and territories. The vote is currently 4 or 5 to keep versus your one, this is getting tiresome, I've had AfD votes that took a lesser number of days before closing with similar vote tallies. If you agree I suggest this is dropped and we go on editing articles which is more important than arguing about a name change. If you dont agree and want to continue I suggest you take this to a formal arena for a vote to be taken.Camelbinky (talk) 09:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I am totally unaware of any past or ongoing discussion in wikipedia about disambiguation for Syracuse, New York vs. Syracuse in Sicily. And that seems entirely irrelevant. Also, what are the 4 or 5 votes you are referring to? In this discussion i have suggested a move, you have suggested not moving, and Wadester16 has mostly opposed a name change but commented that "If a name change does occur, I would strongly choose New York Capital District." There have been no other comments about this article's name that I am aware of. I am coming to agree that it is time to bring this to a larger forum, namely the wp:RM forum to get uninvolved editors' opinions. doncram (talk) 09:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The vote totals are from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals 4-1, including 2 admins in favor. You might as well bring this to wp:RM since you have brought this to every concievable forum already. You brought this up at the wikiproject page, the article page, wikiproject council/proposals (though technically wadester did that), you brought this renaming even to the stub CD discussion (which vote totals are in favor of keep as well). Wadester and I tried to compromise, from the beginning I put the disclaimer at the top of the page to direct people if they were in the wrong place. Wadester named other minor things to your suggestion (like the stub) to try and placate you, but you still brought the whole name change to those forums and used that as a reason this should be renamed. I have pointed out MULTIPLE times- the reason for changing a name is to end any misdirection and complaints that people are going to the wrong page, that clearly does not happen here! You STILL dont mention what you wish to do with this page! If we do a move, what would happen by default is that this simply becomes a redirect to the new page, how does that help what you are trying to do? I dont even know what you are trying to do. At this point I'm giving up on compromising and discussing this, the wikiproject has gone to a vote and its latest long enough, after discussing with wadester I'll recommend to an admin that it be closed, the wikiproject is up and running and has over 200 pages within it. Wadester is the only one who can speak for himself but from my discussions with him the comment you quote is a last resort only if a move is mandatory. Do you know all that would have to be changed and taken care of in case of a move? The wikilinks from the 100 or so pages that go to Capital District will have to be done manually by someone. You are from Syracuse, why does this mean so much to you, why push it so much? I brought up the Syracuse things, because it seems like you have a grudge or agenda you push this soo much. Wadester and I are invested in this endeavor that is why we fight so hard, why do you? You really need to think about the fact that no one from an article that is about another capital district cares enough to speak up, you would think someone would have noticed the many many many forums you mention this in.Camelbinky (talk) 16:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the term Capital District[edit]

The current explanation for the origin of CD as a term says "The term was originated in the 1920s in an effort between the Albany Chamber of Commerce (now known as the Albany-Colonie Regional Chamber of Commerce) and the Albany Times Union." But it is not sourced, and I have found multiple sources that mention area organizations and groups using the name Capital District in their name from the 1910's and possibly the 1880's. Albany Guide Book published in 1917 by John D. Walsh mentions the Capital District Recreation League which was begun in 1916 to promote a Capital District Park (roughly where the Albany Intl Airport and old Shaker settlement is today). Obviously the name CD mustve already been well enough known for them to use it as the name for their organization and proposed park, even if the park was never built. If anyone has any further sources that push it back to a definitive start please feel free to post it here or go ahead and be bold and add it. I'm not going to change it until there seems to be some further evidence on when it began.Camelbinky (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Union University[edit]

There is a college under the umbrella that is Union college but the univesity is made of Albany Law, Unioin College, Union Grad... The links should be changed to match what school they come from. IE Albany Law School Of Union University Union College of Union University Union Graduate College of Union University ( that one split off in 2003) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.31.100 (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Union University exists in name only, they dont have administrative oversight of the individual colleges nor do they share any duties. Union Graduate College of Union University split off from Union College, it was not formed directly by the Union University umbrella organization. Unless the individual articles are changed to different names I suggest we keep the names as they appear in the article title to avoid redlinks.Camelbinky (talk) 22:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Things to do/things Ive done[edit]

I'll start putting citations for the info not cited so far (I find it easier to write prose if I'm not interrupting myself putting citations in as I go along, its hard for me to see how things are flowing when there is huge cite web template info in the middle). For the [citation needed] on the sq. miles area of the CD would actually adding up the sq mileage of each county in the CD be enough? Though I have a feeling the sq. mileage listed is for the Albany-Schenectady-Amsterdam Combined Statistical Area, since the population listed there is the pop. for that same area, and that should be easy to find a citation for. So far everything I've seen that needs a citation I can put one in pretty quickly for, just a matter of me getting around to doing it.Camelbinky (talk) 05:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to change the list format of the Colleges and Universities section into prose along with moving the info on Tech Valley High School down to a new section Education, split into two subsections, one for an overview of the school districts (including any notable private schools) and the other for colleges and universities. Possibly having a separate main article split off to list all school districts in the Capital District could be created if someone thinks its worth having, obviously we cant list them all here. I could do it myself but if someone with more interest and knowledge on the subjects thinks its a good idea I would defer to them.Camelbinky (talk) 19:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I created a Transportation section, so far has major roads, airports, and Amtrak stations. I tried to pick the most important long-distance roads for different parts of the Capital District and not just ones important to the immediate Tri-cities. So NYS Route 30 was included because it is important to Schoharie, Fulton, and Montgomery counties and the Taconic Parkway because of Columbia County (and lots of college students who go home downstate from CD colleges tend to use it in order to save money on tolls). There are probably more Amtrak stations to include, and definitely some smaller airports (Mechanicville-Burello, South Albany, and whatever the name of the one in Poestenkill is, I just have to make sure they have articles first). Hope more people add to this section, still needs at least a section on bus stations and intra- and inter- city transportation (CDTA and equivalent in GF area). May have to split an article from it.Camelbinky (talk) 01:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the order of the sections and combined some to be similar in arrangement to New York City, I know NYC is one city and this is a region, but given that the article on NYC must balance several counties (boroughs) with strong local attachments, distinct histories, cultures, etc I thought it would be the best model to base this on as this article must do the same- balance a concise overview with being thorough of the entire area. There are lots of articles on entire regions within a state, some are a paragraph- Upstate Connecticut, Niagara Frontier; others such as North Country, New York, and Upstate New York, are mostly just like this article was a couple months ago- a bunch of long lists with little prose other than explaining where the place was, a few that are pretty good are Upstate South Carolina, Upstate California, and Southern Tier, California seems to have lots of these articles and some of the best ones, and while San Francisco Bay Area is a C class article its one of the most comprehensive out there.Camelbinky (talk) 16:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the class of the article from B to C due to lack of citations. The B class was a holdover from before the current effort of a rewrite I believe, and not any editor's current assessment. Which even though the current effort has greatly expanded the article and has been for the better, a B class (IMO) can not be justified with the lack of citations, it is my fault, as I find it hard to write prose with long citations in the middle, will rectify when done, though others are encouraged to find sources on their own, the info is correct and would only take a few seconds on a google (or yahoo, or ask.com) search or google books search as those places are where the info came from in the first place (not from my head, irregardless of what people may think). "Three minutes thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time." A.E. HousmanCamelbinky (talk) 02:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Good call. Will bump back up to B shortly, knowing you though. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 06:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I've started a new subsection on the history section; preliminary title of "Urban decline and rise of the suburbs". Hope to have it discuss suburban population gains and urban population losses with relatively flat growth in the CD as a whole, construction of highways that promote commuting such as the Northway, suburban malls and failed attempts at urban malls (Troy, Cohoes, and Amsterdam), business' moving from urban cores to suburbs or locating in the suburbs whereas in the past they would have naturally picked the urban cores (Sears and Macy's picking Colonie Center over downtown Albany, Times Union moving from Albany to Colonie are two examples with common reasons- the Corning Dem. Party machine pissed them off when they wanted to move into/expand in Albany).Camelbinky (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Religious section[edit]

I've noticed a new religious subsection added. I was wondering people's opinions on just what a NPOV religious section should look like as I have always steered clear of such sections (which as this one started out as, tend to be lists of places of worship and little more). I apologize for the section starting off as a list, even though I'm not the one that made the subsection, I am to blame for the other lists in the culture section and that is a bad example on my part, will get to changing it to prose soon if someone doesnt beat me to it. I do encourage the editor who put the info about the Karaite congregation in to continue to edit and add the info in a prose form, as I was not even aware there were Karaite's in Albany.Camelbinky (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion (and I am the editor who added the Karaites), a religious subsection could provide descriptions of the facilities available to practice various religions. For example, are there any noteworthy architectural features of the cathedrals? Are there noteworthy features of the local religious traditions and culture, in any religion (other than that the Jewish community includes some Karaites)? For example, Albany is not so far from the area where Mormonism was founded, and I am wondering how this has affected any religion. The section could also describe special festivals etc. that Albany is locally or more widely known for holding, and that occur at various times of the year. In format and tone, it could be much like the article's description of Albany's parks and recreation areas, which are also more than lists. Just some thoughts. By the way, I don't know that much more about religious life in Albany besides the Karaite community, and I've been contributing information to other articles about Karaite communities throughout the USA. fyi, the Karaite community leader in Albany is particularly stringent by the standards of the movement. --AFriedman (talk) 05:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that, that gives me some good ideas. I do know the founder of Reform Judaism (in full disclosure I am a Reform Jew) was originally a rabbi in Albany and when he first started his philosophy a riot actually broke out at the synagogue and in the street and the police were called out. The synagogue for Congregation Berith Sholom (the congregation I grew up in) in Troy is the oldest synagogue in continous use as a synagogue in the entire state. I guess those are two things I can add, the info with references are already on other articles, I just need to do a copy/paste job over to here. Oh, btw (and you can respond on my talk page since this is getting off the topic of the article) where is the synagogue for the Karaites in Albany? and I know many Jews (particularly Orthodox) dont acknowledge Karaites as full-members of the Jewish community has there been any contact or sharing of facilities or events between the Karaites and the large community of Jews in Albany? The Orthodox dont recognize Reform as "real Jews" either so we have that in common.Camelbinky (talk) 06:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)