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- 1 Relation to Positano
- 2 Name of Capri natives
- 3 Arists in the late 19th century?
- 4 Availability / Peyrefitte
- 5 Separating entry on island and municipality?
- 6 Bad pronunciation from song?
- 7 homosexual life-styles?
- 8 Enraptured with artists and writers
- 9 Wrong etymology?
- 10 "Blue grotto" wrong name?
- 11 File:Capri Centre Belvedere.jpg to appear as POTD
Relation to Positano
I was recently travelling in Positano, and while I was there I took a day trip to Capri. Both on the trip over and while in Capri it was my impression that there were a lot of poeple getting to Capri from Positano. It seemed like that was a really common thing for people visiting Positano to take a day trip to Capri. So, I thought it would be worth mentioning in the Capri article that it's a common thing for people to get there from Positano. What do others think about adding this comment to this article? solaro 17:25, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- If you're going to include boat service from Positano, you should also include boat service from Amalfi, Ischia, and Salerno. I don't see the point of including all of them. Wikipedia is not a tour guide – though pointing to tour guides wouldn't be out of place. --Macrakis 21:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Name of Capri natives
What does one call people from Capri? Capriani?
Arists in the late 19th century?
There is an obvious error in this section: In the latter half of the 19th century, Capri became a popular resort for European artists, writers and other celebrities. John Singer Sargent and Frank Hyde are among the prominent artists who stayed on the island around the late 1870s
Clicking on the link to Frank Hyde takes you to the English Rugby player, born in the early 1900s. There is no Wikipedia page for the British artist of the same name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
- Changed link to point to a (yet unwritten) article for the painter. Morn (talk) 09:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Availability / Peyrefitte
I have requested a citation for the statement that fishermen´s sons were ´´usually available´´ - I also question the relevance of including Peyrefitte´s fiction as a source for speculation about local people´s opinions. Saying that this fiction was ´´carefully researched´´ is merely POV and does not substantiate it as truth. Unless there is strong justification for the relevance of these passages, I will edit them accordingly. They seem out of place in the context of the article. --Smerus 17:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- Done--Smerus 11:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Separating entry on island and municipality?
The municipality of Capri does not comprehend the whole of the island of Capri, I suggest it to be spun off. --Cruccone 16:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Bad pronunciation from song?
OUAT I read something to the effect that the common (mis)pronunciation of "Capri" with the stress on the second syllable comes from a popular song, which stresses it this way to fit the rhythm. Can anybody tell me which song this is? – Smjg 00:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The wording sounds a bit off. Can someone change it?
Enraptured with artists and writers
While precedent allows the mention of notable people, Wikipedia guidelines de-emphasizes people in favor of events, places, etc., in what are essentially, geographic articles. This article gets a bit too carried away with transitory phenomena of media. Okay if they were notable, but even then, not really encourages, though tolerated more than encouraged. When they write non-notable articles, why are they here. If they, themselves, are WP:NN, what on earth are they doing here? Are we trying to peddle their books or something? That would be WP:SPAM.
A little more clearly, if an author is here for a notable work, why are his non-notable ones mentioned? What is the point even?
If someone is non notable and has written a non-notable book, what is to prevent me, a former visitor, from inserting myself and my own nn work? A footnote someplace? Maybe I can come up with one. Is Capri so needy, that it has to pretend that people or books written there are notable when they are not? Why? Student7 (talk) 20:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Based on your deletions you seem to suffer from a bad case of red link allergy. Unfortunately, whether Wikipedia already has an article on a given subject or not tells you more about its editors, their education, and easy availability of source material (i.e., scanned books) than about the inherent notability--if there is such a thing--of a subject. If e.g. Et le feu s’èteignit sur le mer has no article yet, it has more to do with the fact that no French-speaking editor has read the book and started an article, not its non-notability. Similarly, the Kopisch book was as influential as the text says it is, but while I do speak German, I'd have to track down a physical copy or find a scan somewhere to write about it. Obviously, English-language books are covered first, but that doesn't mean the others are non-notable, just that there's a language barrier.
- The proper way to go about this is to find some decent references (i.e., books about Capri and its literary scene from the late 19th-century on) and use them to establish which titles deserve to be mentioned in this section and which don't. There is also the History of Capri article, so material that is deemed relevant but perhaps a little too in-depth for the Capri article might be moved there.
- That whole literary scene at the time on that island is an important reason for us to care about Capri in the first place, so deletions should not leave that section shortchanged. Therefore simply deleting all that material without even having a talk page discussion doesn't really fly. --Morn (talk) 22:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- Let me tell you a secret. I was enraptured with an artist and established an article about her. I am beginning to think that maybe I was wrong. There is no article in her native language Wikipedia. There are sufficient references that I was able to rough out a lousy biography. Not a whole lot of refs in her language either. I'm not about to Afd my own article, but sometimes notability is illusive! Granted that some languages have scanty editors to produce an encyclopedia in their own language, much less English. Unfortunately, we don't allow refs from any Wikipedia article including foreign ones.
- I am not convinced that Capri will be as noted for its 20th century writers 500 years from now. But I suspect it will still remember Tiberius and Strabo. The Plinys never came here? Odd. I think that limiting it to what we call "notable" nowdays, is a stretch in itself. Most of those writers just won't survive the passage of time. We don't need to look for more obscure ones. They will all be eclipsed by "Capri" itself.
- Can you name famous 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th century writers from here? Not because they're weren't any! But because they were transitory. As will most of these folks. These "notables" anyway are essentially trivia to place articles and probably shouldn't any of them be in here. Redlinks? Jeepers. Student7 (talk) 00:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Re your first point, it's not unusual for the English Wikipedia to have better coverage of, say, a French or German topic than their respective Wikipedias do. It's customary to add articles here first, so the other editions can translate them and use them as starting points for their own articles. WP-EN is by far the largest, therefore it should have a lower notability threshold than e.g. a Wiki with 100,000 articles. That's a completely valid approach to building an encyclopedia: Start with a high threshold and lower it over time once the standard encyclopedia topics are covered.
- I think what makes Capri special isn't so much single writers and artists on their own, but their entirety, i.e. that whole art colony vibe that was (and remains) very unique, which of course does not mean that every single poem or novel that resulted from this must be mentioned here in the Wikipedia article. But what the Wikipedia article needs to point out that Capri owed much of its cachet to its often artistically-inclined, sometimes scandal-causing émigrés, not so much its native inhabitants. --Morn (talk) 14:07, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with reporting a WP:RELY source describing Capri as a literary colony or manufacturing center, or whatever that reliable source says. What is wrong is manually selecting nn authors for inclusion. In the US, maybe 90% of the books are printed by vanity presses ("self-published"). Out of hundreds of thousands of books, perhaps a few are notable. But I do not get to chose which ones those are. They are, instead, chosen by the NY Times Book Section, or equivalent. There doubtlessly exists something similar in Europe? Student7 (talk) 19:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- Proust's In Search of Lost Time was published by a vanity press at the time because he couldn't find a publisher, yet today it's hailed as one of the best novels of the 20th century. On the other hand, there a plenty of movies or books that are highly popular at the time of their release, simply because a lot of money is pumped into advertising and bribing critics, but these works are often quickly forgotten. In the context of Capri, there are books about Capri history, so I think providing a source that establishes Fersen's or Douglas's books as notable isn't difficult. There's artistic value and e.g. South Wind was also commercially successful, if that makes it more notable.
- Wikipedia has to strike a balance between what was popular at the time (in this case e.g. Vestal Fire and perhaps South Wind) and those works which were not as popular in the day but have received a more favorable critical re-evaluation since (Fersen's self-published books and perhaps also Akademos). In the US and UK, a lot of money has gone into gender studies since the 1990s, and since quite a few émigrés on Capri happened to be gay or lesbian, there are well-researched scientific texts we could cite here, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0415093120. No original research needed. It's really only a matter of selecting which academic books and papers work best here. --Morn (talk) 20:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
The article claims that the name "Capri" is derived from the Greek "kapros," not the Latin "capreae," and even providing a citation. However, the cited site states the reverse. Am I missing something here? The313cleaner (talk) 08:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, that's weird. Of course we should cite a book here anyway, not a web site. Looking through Google Book Search, it seems to me that the matter is undecided, so I will update the introduction to reflect that. --Morn (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
"Blue grotto" wrong name?
Good morning I think the correct translation (ITA->ENG) for "Blue Grotto" name is "Azure Grotto". Indeed the Italian name is "Grotta Azzurra" where Azzurra is the color Azure in english, just a explanation.
- Still, it's called the Blue Grotto in English and Blaue Grotte in German, so that's what Wikipedia calls it too. --Morn (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
File:Capri Centre Belvedere.jpg to appear as POTD
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A panoramic view of the Belvedere of Tragara in Capri, Italy, in summer. The island is a popular destination for Italian and international tourists, and can be easily reached by sea from Naples. Visible behind the city is Mount Solaro.