Talk:Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach
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I moved this here from Karl Philipp Emanuel Bach - the spelling with a C has virtually completely superceded the K spelling (both in English and German speaking countries). The article is a complete mess, by the way - I might clean it up later (but these 1911 articles are rather depressing...) --Camembert
A quick note on the children of Johann Sebastian Bach. He had 20 children total, 10 of whom survived into adulthood. He had 7 children with Maria Barbara and 13 children with Anna Magdalena. Nine of these children were female, and 11 male. I have changed the first line to say "the second of five sons of Sebastian and Maria Barbara", though "second of Sebastian's 11 sons would also be correct, or some variant like that. These number are from Table 11.1 in Christoph Wolff, Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician (New York: Norton, 2000): 396-8. --Tagith 03:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
There should be mention of CPEB's symphonies, which influenced Haydn's, as mentioned in the article on the latter -- Rothorpe 00.21, 1 January 2007 GMT
Should the works list that was recently added by Fbourgeois be moved to its own page, perhaps? At the very least, we could consider a table of some sort, giving cross-references between the Helm and Wotquenne numbers... food for though. --EvanCortens (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Bach was born in 1223 and died as soon as he was born! Love Preya Budhram! Not a Lie I n=know Bach he was my uncle isn't that awsome!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Start class assessment
The content of this article is almost good enough to be a B-class article. Unfortunately, due to its relatively unsourced nature, and the wonderful (<-- sarcasm!) EB1911 writing, it will probably have to be rewritten.
The works list should definitely be in a separate article.
CPE Bach's Use of Harmonic Color
"He was probably the first composer of eminence who made free use of harmonic colour for its own sake since the time of Lassus, Monteverdi, and Gesualdo."
This is followed by the tag "Citation Needed," but you will never find an authoritative citation for such a bold claim. It beaspeaks ignorance of the French manner and composers such as Couperin and Rameau, not to mention some works of Bach's father. C.P.E. Bach's work in harmonic independence was important and very different from most other composers of his generation, but there is plenty of "free use of harmonic colour for its own sake" in between him and Monteverdi.
It might not hurt to mention something about C.P.E.'s influence on sturm und drang, his advocacy of "expressive style" (a term he coined) and his connection with literary figures of the time such as Klopstock.Pinikadia (talk) 13:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)Pinikadia
- This statement, along with the rest of the paragraph, were all taken from the online 1911 Britannica article w/o any footnote - also, it is copied verbatim. This should be paraphrased at the very least. HammerFilmFan (talk) 07:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
relationship with father, mother and step-mother should be mentioned
These three people would have had a large impact on his life. Additionally something should be said about his relationship with dad's 2nd wife after he died - the sons of wife #1 were a bit uncaring to the mother of JC Bach. HammerFilmFan (talk) 03:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
Versuch über die wahre Art das Clavier zu spielen
This is the same thing as An Essay on the True Art of Playing Keyboard Instruments, so it is mentioned twice in the article in separate contexts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- Not known as that by anyone? What about in the source repeated five times in the Notes section? — Eru·tuon 17:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Frivolous removal av encyclopedic content
Content in the form of audio files, which is really the only way to convey what a composer is all about. Composer pages on Wikipedia should have more in the way of musical examples, not less.
Recently almost all sound files were removed from this page, with the edit summmary complaining that they were somehow "excessive". (How, and why?) This even included the removal of Solfeggietto, one of the most famous and characteristic examples.
I will acknowledge that the presentation of the clips was less than optimal, and in adding them back I have made sure they are in the listen-box format they should be. Also removed were a MIDI rendition of a piece and a link to a youtube-clip, both of which I agree were rightly removed.
Please do not remove illustrative encyclopedic content without better justification than one persons opinion of "excessive". kim 00:50, 23 July 2014 (UTC)