Talk:Carl Rogers

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Cleaned up reference section[edit]

some WIKI code had been wrongly inserted in the text - this has now been corrected so that all textual citations are now listed in the "references" section. Some entries have been moved out of "references" to either "further reading" or "external links" - the references section should contain the "reflist" only.Shadygrove2007 (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Xenophobic spam??[edit]

The second paragraph of the section titled "Critical" should be deleted IMHO. The reference (original) is to a xenophobic rant with no academic or scientific substance. The logic is virtually non-existant, there are no references (what references there are point either to basic information e.g. biographies or to non-existant piblications such as "Journals"). I will delete it myself if no-one objects. I have edited it in the meantime to provide references to other works by E.MichaelJones. Re-reading the first para I think the entire section should be scrapped.

LookingGlass (talk) 09:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC) I agree - it is anti-semitic nonsense, not in any way a serious criticism of Rogers or his theories. It is pretty terrible that this section does not contain anything better! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Spring Onion (talkcontribs) 11:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Reference for Uncondition Positive Regard?[edit]

If anyone is reading, I'm trying to track down the seminal quote: "Only in the face of unconditional positive regard can change occur" by Rogers or one of his disciples. It's probably the best way to sum up Rogerian psychotherapy, IMHO, and would make a nice addition... if I knew where to cite it. siafu 23:33, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I believe that I heard this statement by Rogers in a Doco that was made in the sixties. A women named 'Gloria' was interviewed by Rogers and others, using different theories and styles. ?The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.233.88.228 (talk ? contribs) 04:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC{})

Calling Carl Rogers work "Human Centred PSYCHOTHERAPY"[edit]

I think this is doing the man a disjustice as "PSYCHOTHERAPY" is the Freudian term and Carl Rogers work is much more real-life (if you like) than the freudian example.

Thus this should be renamed "Human Centered Counselling" or "Human Centered" Therapy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.103 (talkcontribs) 00:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Hardly. Psychotherapy is the common term for all methods. Perhaps you are thinking of psychoanalysis, which does have a specifically Freudian connotation. siafu 02:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

According to Rogers the therapist approaches his client "not as a scientist to an object of study, but as a person to a person. He feels this client to be a person of self-worth; of value no matter what his condition, his behavior or his feelings. He respects him for what he is, and accepts him as he is, with his potentialities." (Rogers, 1965, p.22)

CWatchman (talk) 01:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Copyright issue[edit]

This article takes whole paragraphs from my article at http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/rogers.html, which is copyrighted. I am not fussy about it, but the quotations should either be referenced or rewritten! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.82.216.178 (talkcontribs) 21:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems as if this issue has been addressed, so why is there still a reference problem with this article? If there are still problems, can someone point out specific sections which have copyright problems so they can be addressed specifically.

 why is the above comment not signed (even by the bot??) LookingGlass (talk) 09:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Therapy[edit]

Someone included this text, which refers to his view on therapy, under the section Psychopathology which is a section describing his view on psychopathology:

Carl Rogers believed that in therapy we must set the stage for personal developement. There must be empathy, acceptance, and genuineness toward our ideal and real self. There were five ways that Rogers would and could respond to people. 1st is the Evaluative Response were you place a value judgement on the person's feelings. 2nd is the Interpretive Response when you tell the person what they are really thinking or feeling. 3rd is the Reassuring Response when you tell the person not to worry about something and that something good may come of your worries or problems. 4th is the Probing Response when you ask what the problem really is. 5th is the signature Reflective Response when you repeat and capture how someone is feeling.

There is a separate page devoted to the Person-centered psychotherapy and if this text is going to go anywhere it should probably go there (the first two sentences are covered in that page). Added to that the 'five ways' referred to should have a reference.

Matthew 13:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone has added this section again. It has to do with his technique and so it is better positioned under Person-centered psychotherapy which is a page about his therapy (see above). It also has no references in the section at all. It is essential that info added to an encyclopedia has info about where it is sourced. See Wikipedia:Footnotes.
Reflective Response Approach
Evaluative Response-Taking a valued approach to a person's feelings, and assuring them that their feelings towards the situation aren't true.
Interpretive Response-Reading between the lines and finding out why the person is truly upset. It may be another matter that has happened earlier in their life that they have been presented to again after a recent event.
A reassuring response-Assuring the person that this has happened before, and re-enforcing that the person can't allow this to bother them.
A problem response-Asking what it is that truly bothers you about the problem, when it has been made clear that it isn't the person that is the problem.
A reflective response-Observing how the person feels about the situation at the moment and working with those feelings.
Matthew 11:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Phenomenology section[edit]

I have moved this section out to a page on its own since it is a concept broader than its application to Rogers' theory. I have created a link to that new page in the text (Section: His Theory) and the See also section. Matthew 09:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it has a place here showing Rogers' influences.--John Bessa (talk) 18:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Biographical overview[edit]

  • [1] I wonder why the Carl Rogers Peace Project has not been mentioned here (within the article), his work in the former Sowjetunion in 1986 neither. Shouldn't those facts be mentioned, too?
Austerlitz -- 88.75.93.138 (talk) 09:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Biography: "seventh of the six children"[edit]

It is obviously illogical, someone made a mistake here. Was there seven or six children, and which of them was Rogers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.100.205.223 (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed, yes.[edit]

"Jeffrey Masson says in his book Against therapy that Rogers sometimes did his research with patients living within psychiatric or other wards not taking into account their individual/social circumstances of life.[dubious – discuss][citation needed] According to Masson's judgement this has been a neglect of reality giving priority to scientific research[citation needed]; patients wanted to get out but they have been left there, their "cases" having been studied.[citation needed]"

I'm going to look for a citation, maybe there is one.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.27.48 (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Point X of 19 points is incomprehensible[edit]

the narrative makes no sense.

10. Values experienced directly by the organism, and in some instances are values introjected or taken over from others, but perceived in distorted fashion, as if they had been experienced directly.

I found this: http://www.btinternet.com/~p.g.h/counselling_training_rogers_propositions.htm which has a clearer fuller description:

X. The values attached to experiences, and the values that are a part of the self-structure, in some instances, are values experienced directly by the organism, and in some instances are values introjected or taken over from others, but perceived in distorted fashion, as if they had been experienced directly.

189.216.221.138 (talk) 19:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

19 propositions incomprehensible ??[edit]

Is this to say that this is a digested version, rather than the real thing? I think that if an editor is going give it his/her own spin, (s)he might as well use prose.

I believe that it can be quoted, and I think it is important that Rogers did not need to modify the propositions, but did derive more from them to modify his nature of therapeutic change. The reason for this is simple: the proposition was constructed from the work of others.--John Bessa (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)