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False etymology for Carpathian deleted[edit]

The name is derived from the Slavonic word Chrb, which means mountain-range.


That's silly. The Dacian tribe of carps is closer phonetically and they lived in these mountains (the eastern slopes, in current Eastern Moldavia) long before the slavs arrived. Bogdan 20:34, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

"...the Indo-European word "korpata" which means mountain or rock." There is no such Indo-European word or root, is there? The google hits all refer to this statement here at Wikipedia (not aiding our credibility). "Korpata" appears through google only on Slavic-language sites. What's up? Can we correct this? Wetman 19:26, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Of course Korpata is the Slavic version, but it is based on an Indo-european root (probably something like "krpa"). It also appears in some non-Slavic languages, more exactly some Indian languages. I saved this information somewhere but I can't find find it right now. I'll post it tomorrow. OK ? Bogdan | Talk 20:57, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
err... I lost that link about that Indian language. Anyway, I found that in Armenian (which is thought to be related to Thracian), "k'ar" means stone and in Albanian it's "gur". Bogdan | Talk 13:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Actually, in Albanian also, "karpë" means "rock". Bogdan | Talk 18:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There is attested a Cuman word 'kerpic' that meant 'baked brick'. Just thought I'd throw another one in the pot. No connection implied. James 007 04:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The name of the Carpathians was used long time before the Cumans came. Anyway, it is pretty silly to name some mountains "the Brick Mountains". On the other side, the Rocky Mountains is a pretty common name. Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I just wanted to add another word, because I had on file some Turkic words that have seeming cognates among Indo-European. The term 'Karpates' (>carpathian) dates back at least to Ptolemy (ad 85-165) and there is no way there can be any connection with the Cumans who arrived in the 11th century. The term 'Carpathian' surely is directly linked to the name of the Carpi tribe. James 007 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The old Czech word 'chrb' (hill, small hill, not 'mountain range') was also found as 'chrib', and there is in fact a place name formed from this word, but the name is Chribska, which is a far-cry from Carpathian. The 'chrb' idea is so scientifically worthless and ethnocentric that it should not be mentioned in this or any other factual article. James 007 05:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is no such proto-Indo-European root/word as 'karpa' or 'krpa', and the closest thing I found is *Kar, meaning 'hard' (from which comes Greek 'karuon'=nut; and English 'hard'). Subsequently, the PIE root *sker/ker came to my attention, and this is the source of the Albanian word 'karpe'. James 007 05:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

BTW, what is there a PIE root for Latin "crepare" (>Rom. "crăpa") = to crack ? Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My reference says Latin crepare is from PIE *Ker (listed as *Ker number 2, there being other Ker roots of different meaning). The root is defined as "an echoing root, base of various derivatives indicating loud noises or birds". Latin corvus is also from this root. I'm going to apply the razor (not Occam's Razor, probably one of my razors) and fix up this article. Albanian 'karpe', is said to be from PIE *sker, also given as *ker. I don't know about the Armenian word 'kar' or the Czech word 'chrb', they may be from other roots.James 007 01:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A possibility I thought of (just to add to the list, not the article): there is an Indo-European root *kwerp, which meant 'twisted, turned', from which comes such words as ancient Greek karpos (wrist). Maybe the Carpathians were the 'the twisted, or turning mountains', because as you can see from the map, the mountain chain makes a turn in Romania. Also, take a look at a map showing the bent shape of the island of Karpathos: the shape is reminiscent of the curve of the Carpathians. Who knows. Maybe the meaning behind 'Karpates' was 'bent, twisted' mountains, and the Carpi tribes were named after the mountains. Or maybe 'karpates' is derived from the PIE *sker/ker, as indicated in many references, and the name of the island may or may not be from *sker. James 007 22:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Carpathian Geography[edit]

The Geography section opens with the statement "The Carpathians begin on the Góra Świętego Marcina in Tarnów - northern edge of Pogórze Ciężkowickie". I've heard this before from Polish people, but I think it gives a very regional perspective. I have generally understood the range as being an arc running from just north of Bratislava (Slovakia) around to the Iron Gates on the Serbian - Romanian border. There is also the problem that the description does not mention the Serbian Carpathians. Does anyone have any thoughts on changing this part?Flyingsourcer (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Where Carpathian Mountains start[edit]

The people from former Czechoslovakia understand that the Carpathian Mountains start at the point where Morava River joins the Danube. Namely in Devin, a city borough of Bratislava, Slovakia. The hill that starts the entire Carphathian Mountains range is called Devínska Kobyla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C3%ADnska_Kobyla) That is the most western point of the Carpathian Mountains, which begins with Little Carpathians (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Carpathians). That is the point where the arch starts. Tarnow is where the Carpathians start in Poland, well into the arch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.64.20.144 (talk) 19:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

There are also a few hills in Austria, which geologically belong to the Devin Carpatians range dominated by Devínska Kobyla. So in all truth, the arch of the Carpathian Mountains starts with Hundsheimer Berge located close to the city of Hainburg, Austria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.64.20.144 (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)