Talk:Casbah of Algiers

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why does the link to the german tranlsation not direct to "Kasbah", but to "alkazaba", even if the german article "Kasbah" is existing?

why does the link to the german tranlsation not direct to "Kasbah", but to "alkazaba", even if the german article "Kasbah" is existing?

I would like to inform you that "AL" in arabic means "the", and that "casbah" is closer to the dialect pronunciation than "kazaba".

Besides, the article focuses on Algeria's casbah even as if the concept of "casbah" is originally from there, which might give a wrong impression to the readers. Also, I will try to find accurate information on Tunis' casbah. It has been described by many French cultivated colons during their visits to Tunisia's capital during the second half of the 19th century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadoudidou (talk • contribs) 01:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add more information about the role that the Casbah as a hideout for the FLN during the Algerian struggle for independence, but don't want to add information that is not entirely relevant. Anybody have particular thoughts on that?--Hakenny (talk) 05:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see the source that omnipotently saw into the future to prove that "A casbah/kasbah has never, is not, and will never be a marketplace or anything even remotely related to a marketplace or store of any kind." I get somebody probably edited that out of righteous indignation that anyone could ever be moronic enough to use the word "casbah" incorrectly, but this isn't exactly unbiased, informative language. If you have a source referring to people using the word incorrectly in this way, please include it. Otherwise, this needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.170.199 (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. — ΛΧΣ21 07:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Casbah of Algiers → Casbah –

  • The page was moved without discussion. Casbah is an official adminstirative constituency in Algiers, as such as the official name should be used (WP:PRECISE). Also, no other article has the same name and therefore no disambiguation is needed (Kasbah refers to the type of fortress). Any modifications to the title should be discussed based on WP policy not a users own personal preference. I could not revert the move myself since the user has redirected the original title to Kasbah. Please undo! TonyStarks (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to see some statistics that a move (move back) would be appropriate. A number of article seem to have some variety of potential claim to Casbah, including Kasbah.--Labattblueboy (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For starters, based on WP:PRECISE it should be listed at Casbah, as per the name of the daïra/adminstirative constituency. "Casbah of Algiers" is an arbitrary choice by a user and follows absolutely no WP standard. Secondly, here's a 2006 NY Times article that refers to it simply as "Casbah" in the title: The Crumbling of the Casbah. Plenty of other articles refers it to simply as the Casbah as well such as this Reuters article: A ray of hope for Algeria's crumbling Casbah?. Also, it is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and the only Kasbah on that list. See List of World Heritage Sites in the Arab States for more details. Again, the article of the title has been at Casbah since 2004, if anything the user should have used the WP:RM process to request moving it to a new one and especially to justify why the move should be made. I am simply requesting it to be moved back to its original name. TonyStarks (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My initial belief is that this article should be located at Casbah, Algiers because Disambiguation by commas is more common for geographical places. I don't see this as a case of WP:PRECISE as there is obvious ambiguity issues between the fortification and the district. It hasn't been shown that the district in Algiers is a more common term than the synonym for fortification. My own basic and cursory google books search seemed to produce a spectrum of Casbah locations and certainly puts doubt in my mind that the district in Algiers is a hands down primary topics.--Labattblueboy (talk) 06:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - i.e. support, for once, the undiscussed move. Even though this RM should be starting from the other end per WP:BRD, per both print sources and interwikis such as ar:قصبة الجزائر etc. make sense to have this casbah at Casbah of Algiers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you justify it using Wiki policy instead of just saying that the Arab version of Wikipedia has it listed that way? In case you missed my point, Casbah is the name of the daïra/adminstirative constituency. As per WP:PRECISE, it should therefore be listed as Casbah. Since no other article is titled Casbah, there should be no need for any disambiguation modifier to the title. In any case, if there was, it should then be Casbah (Algiers) or Casbah (Algeria) and definitely not Casbah of Algiers which, again!, is a completely arbitrary name chosen by the user and follows absolutely no Wikipedia naming convention! TonyStarks (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, when I said "per print sources" I meant that per print sources Casbah fails WP PRECISE "Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that.". Alternatively Casbah (Algiers) would pass WP:AT too. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then I guess maybe it's time we change New York City to New York City of New York State of the United States of America .. do you understand what an daïra/adminstirative constituency and why the need to call it Casbah and nothing else??? TonyStarks (talk) 20:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Casbah" is far too generic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Generic .. we're talking about the original Casbah that all the Casbah's are named after. We're not talking about some trendy hipster cafe in NYC. TonyStarks (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Before you get too patronising, you should probably read our kasbah article. "Casbah" is merely an alternative spelling of a generic Arabic term. It is certainly not only used for the area of Algiers, in either spelling. Neither is that the original usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Casbah of Algiers[edit]

ALGERIAN 154.246.204.239 (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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