Talk:Cat and Fiddle Inn

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Name derivation[edit]

The image of the plaque shows a cat with a fiddle. The caption to this image doesn't correspond, saying: "The name is said to derive from the French 'le chat fidele', 'the faithful cat'."

Is this derivation correct? Or did the name or pub-sign come from the nursery rhyme Hey Diddle Diddle? Or from somewhere else? --David Edgar 10:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some sites (eg [1] say it's from 'Catherine la Fidele' (eg a large cross-language change like 'Casa Altera' -> 'the case is altered' - (and I recollect having heard a derivation from 'le Shah Infidele'). Linuxlad 13:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also Caton le Fidele, a governor of Calais (Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable). Although the "chat fidele" derivation is widespread (and I don't see that the existence of the plaque disproves it), it seems to be something of a folk etymology so I'll remove it. Dave.Dunford 08:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elevation Controversy[edit]

The tenancy has changed (prior to June, 2013) since the previous edit. and therefore reference to a 'recently' commissioned survey by 'the landlord' is no longer current and required rephrasing. No doubt, people will consult this page with a view to looking up the 'claim', but it does not originate with the current landlord and any measure taken by a previous landlord is no longer 'recent'. On first-hand information (not suitable for inclusion in the article itself), on Thursday, 20th June, 2013 at approximately 3pm, I overheard a conversation between a patron and bar staff (both strangers to me) in which the claim by a Yorkshire pub to being the highest in England was acknowledged -- it seemed to me like a dead controversy no longer meriting the prominence given in the article as previously edited. Douglas Jardine (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]