Talk:Cattle drives in the United States
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- i'll do what i can when i find more time. this article need a lot of attention and most likely should be scrapped and started over. also i thnk the name should be changed simply to cattle drives. in that way cattle drives in other nations can be incorporated and then if the page is big enough expand to specific nation/region pages.--Tainter 18:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I've done some re-wording. Some of the grammar on this page was choppy. Also, I think it should be noted that the sections about the cow towns could stand to be revised. The section entitled "cow towns" is fairly good, but some of the information in unnecessarily repeated in other parts of the article. But I personally don't know enough about them to feel comfortable making the changes. Vervaine (talk) 21:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
- Anything helps. The article needs a major fumigation, but with sources, and I haven't had the time to do it. Montanabw(talk) 02:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's worth noting that the term "cow town" wasn't actually used much during the period covered by the "cow town" section. One of the quoted sources (Dykstra) actually notes that "cattle town" was the preferred period term, and that "cow town" was considered disparaging in the context of the Kansas cattle towns. It might also be worth expanding to take into account towns in other locations (eg. Montana or Wyoming) which might have had a different experience.Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- No problem from my end. There's formal and informal use. An encyclopedia can use the more formal terms. While ther eis some regional terminology, I think this is consistent. "Cow town" in practical use, even today is often a half-humorous and often a bit self-deprecating term in the "we can call ourselves a perjorative term, but you outsiders can't" sort of way... the "I can say I live in a "cow town," but if you tell me I live in a cow town, I'll punch you in the nose." LOL! Montanabw(talk) 21:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Just looked through this again, and the history section is in really horrible shape. The article contradicts itself in some places, and suffers from (as Montanabw noted) a lack of proper citations. Not sure if I'll work up the energy to haul back through it, but someone really should.Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree. It's silly to have a photo of the wrong town here. Abilene, Texas has nothing to do with Abilene, Kansas or the cattle trade. The photo adds nothing but confusion and should be deleted or replaced with a photo of Abilene, Kansas. Munchkyn (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Several footnotes cite Malone in the form of (e.g.) "Malone, p.26".
However, there are two different Malones referenced in the bibliography.
- Based on my experience with the Michael Malone book, I'd say the notes are coming from the other Malone work. I'd have to physically check, though.Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:58, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
The tale of the young Davy Crockett helping on a 400-mile cattle drive sounds apocryphal.
Most scholars agree that he was born on August 17, 1786. Most cattle drives take place in the spring. Thus, a cattle drive in 1790 would have begun around April, 1790. But Crockett was only 3 years old at that time.
Moreover, driving Longhorn cattle was fraught with danger, from being gored to drowning while crossing the Sabine River into Louisiana and many other dangers on the trail. Cowboys worked constantly to keep the cattle on the trail, and they enjoyed little sleep, because they had to take shifts every four hours all night to guard the herd. Food would have been very bad - the chuck wagon was not invented until 1866.
Most cattle drives average about 15 to 20 miles per day, depending on the weather, rivers to ford, etc. Thus, a 400-mile cattle drive would have taken at least 3 weeks.
It sounds implausible that even a frontiersman as capable as Davy Crockett could accomplish this task at the age of 3.
Some sources have apparently seen this problem so either moved up the date of his birthday or moved back the date of the cattle drive, so that Crockett would have been about 12-years old. The problem, of course, is the absence of any authoritative citations.
- Probably baloney. I'll toss it. Those who care and try to get it restored. Montanabw(talk) 21:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
(ec):Remember that the reference is talking about a drive from Tennessee. It's not likely that those cattle would have been longhorns, unless there's solid documented evidence indicating longhorns were being raised as food stock in Tennessee at this time. Also, since the section claims the drive was going to Virginia it's not likely that he crossed the Sabine river at any point or went into Louisiana.