Talk:Caudillo

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Spain  
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spain, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Spain on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Military history (Rated Start-Class)
MILHIST This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality assessment scale.

Random Notes[edit]

i think there should be clear diference between southern and northern south american caudillos. the article looks too biased about them being plutocratic authoritarian leaders. a simple definition could be that they were usually landowners, criollos, who often led militias mostly in the rural areas, it could be added that they were charismatic and populist on most cases. but you cant never say they always had the same views. and i neither think it's fair to put some of them in 19th century Argentina, and Artigas in Uruguay, mostly because at that time it was all part of the same thing, perhaps it should be refered to as River Plate, as it usually is. there should also be a difference between the original caudillos, and those in the 20th century who tried to use the term to their benefit. perhaps someone could see to it, or maybe i should. luceo non uro (talk) 18:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)



This article is horrendously written. It has plenty of mistakes in grammar and just plain typos. Can somebody get on this? If not, I'll see what I can do when I have more time.


—Preceding unsigned comment added by Anvilman (talkcontribs) 21:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

This article, though a good start, reads like a POV endorsement of caudillismo. In addition to the statement "[They] were very liberal leaders," how about adding something about their brutal authoritarianism? What about the fact that many Mexicans even today resent Santa Anna, for example, as a pusillanimous opportunist? Someone with a grasp of Latin American history should re-write this article to give it NPOV.


The word itself means "man on horseback,"

This is patently false. The provenance of the word is the Latin capitellus, meaning "small head", and this is reflected in the Spanish page for 'caudillo'. rone 23:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


comes from a previous military standing

No, in many cases they were just landowners with no previous combat experience and their armies were the gauchos of their estancias.


The Caudillos were reformist.

If this means they were keen on preserving the status-quo, yes, they were reformists. Deleted POV paragraphs.


[Rosas] used his strong charisma to unify the country. is a joke. "Rosas rose" is funnier, though.


But never was named proudly like caudillo, was a bd copy of Napoleao, although better than Dessalines. Never won but never lost in a normal battle with equilibrium sides o without doing la siesta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.155.45.166 (talk) 15:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Medieval[edit]

Wasn't caudillo used for Medieval troop leaders? I think that Cid and Pelayo are sometimes described as caudillos. And even the pre-Roman Viriathus. And probably when Franco named himself caudillo he was after the Medieval meaning, not the American one. -- Error

Described by whom?
Spanish Wikipedia uses it for Goth leaders. -- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yes, in 19th and 20th-century Spanish, Attila would be a caudillo too.
How old is the word caudillo?
You made me open the DCECeH: Latin capitellum. 1st documentation: cabdiello in Gonzalo de Berceo, caudillo around 1300 in the Gran Conquista de Ultramar. -- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Have you been reading very many pre-1800 accounts of El Cid then? Wetman 01:25, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Not really, but Google is my friend: Eugenio de Tapia: un análisis del Cantar de Mío Cid en 1838, a commentary on a 1838 analysis of the Cantar de Mío Cid that tells:
Tal es la entrada del Cid en Burgos cuando va desterrado, el silencio de la ciudad, el terror de sus habitantes asomados a las ventanas para ver pasar al caudillo, sin atreverse a hablarle; el desamparo de
-- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
So at the time of the Latin American caudillos, the word was being applied retroactively to El Cid, etc. Good stuff! Get your research into the entry, it's just what it needs! 05:32, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Copyvio?[edit]

Several sentences are very similar to those at The Columbia Encyclopedia. -- Error 02:20, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Uh-oh. Pull them out to Discussion and we'll rework them. Wetman 05:34, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The modern caudillo is referred to as "president."[edit]

(Hugo Chávez is never referred to as "el caudillo.")

In many contemporary history books, leaders like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavéz are called "caudillos." Can we have a definition of the modern usage of the term? In this article, caudillo seems to refer to a very specific profile. -Saman

Tag calling for "sections"[edit]

Is this a joke? There are only seven paragraphs of text, not counting a single sentence opener! --Wetman 23:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:JuanVicenteGómez.jpg[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg

Image:JuanVicenteGómez.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Perón[edit]

Unlike other rulers, Juan Domingo Perón has never received any official title that calls him a caudillo. Perhaps someone here or there may have informally called him such thing, but that would be just a very broad analogy, such as when people call Bush a "cowboy". In precise terms, Caudillos belong in the context of the XIX century wars in south america, by 1950 they were a thing very long past. So, I suggest the mention to Perón should be removed. MBelgrano (talk) 05:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Wot?[edit]

What on earth is this trying to say? ...the liberal caudillo lawyer and politician Jorge Eliécer Gaitán was honored with the title "Caudillo of The Colombian People" (and other nuances with a significance mostly demagogic -accused by the right wing opposition and some landowners-) and even without state responsibilities like cacique in Spain and oligarchical–plutocratic power. Jpatokal (talk) 10:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

References, anyone?[edit]

I don't see a single footnote or source cited here. This means to me that it is either original research (which is not approved by Wikipedia) or plagiarism. Can anyone with a knowledge of Spanish or Latin American history look this over? 63.143.210.215 (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)